Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:28 pm

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TheRed259 wrote:Back to the the question: Ssj4 Goku being able to withstand the power of the sun, but getting cut by normal glass.
Well to be fair, there are materials in real life that can survive a lot of heat but easily break from physical stress or be cut, and vice-versa. Still GT is full of plot holes like that.
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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by MDSTSSJ » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:03 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
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TheRed259 wrote:Back to the the question: Ssj4 Goku being able to withstand the power of the sun, but getting cut by normal glass.
Well to be fair, there are materials in real life that can survive a lot of heat but easily break from physical stress or be cut, and vice-versa. Still GT is full of plot holes like that.
Well, the glass and the building things are fucking GT mistake/plotholes to dramatize those shitty scenes!!

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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

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MDSTSSJ wrote:Well, the glass and the building things are fucking GT mistake/plotholes to dramatize those shitty scenes!!
True. I never liked GT.
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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:02 pm

Probably destruction scaling (Not necessarily that every punch blows up a planet, but greater physical damage at higher ki outputs) and the tension-kill from the dragon balls. I don't know if the second point is necessarily logistical or creative. So most of the previous posts, I guess? Some of the others I don't think much of, say the order of magnitude of villains- the last two villains would never appear in the first place if not for the very specific events of the story- I that almost sounds like an acknowledgement of overkill to me.

Meanwhile, and I feel like a troll for doing this, but did someone say BIG PROBLEMS?

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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

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Another one: They often forget about the existence of animal people for no reason. For example, Buu's human extinction attack: Were all the animal people spared? Or did Buu think they were humans? Or what?
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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by DarkPrince_92 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:56 pm

Ki control. Goku vs. Freeza was the most environmentally devastating battle I've seen in the series. Why? Later on when the characters are much stronger, the area is still in one piece more or less. Is it that they have more control over their power? Am I missing something? I figure Goku vs. Kid Buu would be the worst of them, considering Kid Buu is a wild boy.
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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

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Polyphase Avatron wrote:Another one: They often forget about the existence of animal people for no reason. For example, Buu's human extinction attack: Were all the animal people spared? Or did Buu think they were humans? Or what?
That's just the series terminology. Every humanoid species, from Saiyans to Namekians, are called humans. Buu killed all 6,000,000,000 people on Earth. That'd include the animal-type Earthlings.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by goku the krump dancer » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:27 am

Strife1 wrote:Back to the the question: Ssj4 Goku being able to withstand the power of the sun, but getting cut by normal glass.
This is brought up a lot but I don't recall him being cut by glass happening. Was it against Omega Shenron?
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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:30 pm

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Polyphase Avatron wrote:Another one: They often forget about the existence of animal people for no reason. For example, Buu's human extinction attack: Were all the animal people spared? Or did Buu think they were humans? Or what?
That's just the series terminology. Every humanoid species, from Saiyans to Namekians, are called humans. Buu killed all 6,000,000,000 people on Earth. That'd include the animal-type Earthlings.
But in that case, it wasn't a human "extinction" attack, since what would be called "humans" still existed on other planets.
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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

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Polyphase Avatron wrote:
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Polyphase Avatron wrote:Another one: They often forget about the existence of animal people for no reason. For example, Buu's human extinction attack: Were all the animal people spared? Or did Buu think they were humans? Or what?
That's just the series terminology. Every humanoid species, from Saiyans to Namekians, are called humans. Buu killed all 6,000,000,000 people on Earth. That'd include the animal-type Earthlings.
But in that case, it wasn't a human "extinction" attack, since what would be called "humans" still existed on other planets.
Well, the Kamehameha doesn't shoot turtles at people, so I think a little leniency with the attack names is warranted.
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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by thatdbzguy » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:37 pm

"Dragon Ball logic" is what pretty much made DBZ terrible.
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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

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thatdbzguy wrote:"Dragon Ball logic" is what pretty much made DBZ terrible.
:roll: . Ever heard of "If you don't have anything nice to say. Don't say anything at all"? Well I think it'll be nice if you at least once a month said something positive about DB on a DB forum. At least the first series. I've only seen dislike of DBZ from you besides liking Goten. I've never seen you say anything nice about DragonBALL. I respect your opinion on DBZ but I thought you at least liked DB.....

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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:47 pm

TheGmGoken wrote: On Topic:
How Gods work. Not a fan of the style. However it's based on religion and Greek Gods. Which isn't my sort of topic. So I don't complain much.
How are you getting a Greek god vibe from any of the Dragon Ball deities?
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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:49 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote: On Topic:
How Gods work. Not a fan of the style. However it's based on religion and Greek Gods. Which isn't my sort of topic. So I don't complain much.
How are you getting a Greek god vibe from any of the Dragon Ball deities?
As I said. It's not my sort of topic. As I lack knowledge on these types of things. Isn't it Buddhism the Gods are based on? Not Greek? Ugh! I hate this topic so much. I feel so stupid talking about it.

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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote: On Topic:
How Gods work. Not a fan of the style. However it's based on religion and Greek Gods. Which isn't my sort of topic. So I don't complain much.
How are you getting a Greek god vibe from any of the Dragon Ball deities?
The cut chapter where Kaioshin raped Chi Chi?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

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TheGmGoken wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:"Dragon Ball logic" is what pretty much made DBZ terrible.
:roll: . Ever heard of "If you don't have anything nice to say. Don't say anything at all"? Well I think it'll be nice if you at least once a month said something positive about DB on a DB forum. At least the first series. I've only seen dislike of DBZ from you besides liking Goten. I've never seen you say anything nice about DragonBALL. I respect your opinion on DBZ but I thought you at least liked DB.....

On Topic:
How Gods work. Not a fan of the style. However it's based on religion and Greek Gods. Which isn't my sort of topic. So I don't complain much.
I like some of the characters.

But DBZ is still pretty terrible as a story, and no matter how much I enjoy it will change that.
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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by superkakarrot2 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:05 pm

Goku having 2 kids despite showing no actual onscreen attraction to Chichi. I mean he looks hilariously repulsed when she hugs him after he agrees to marry her. I know this is shonen but I still find it funny to think about.

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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by garnetjester » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:33 pm

^this is so sad because my favorite Dragon Ball pairing is Chichi x Goku, yet there is so little evidence of them loving each other even though they are canon :lol:
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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by Rocketman » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:46 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:How are you getting a Greek god vibe from any of the Dragon Ball deities?
Really the Z fighters are more analogous to the Greek gods.


Except the Olympians at least pretended to care when squishy normal people got exploded during divine punch-ups.

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Re: Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:10 pm

superkakarrot2 wrote:Goku having 2 kids despite showing no actual onscreen attraction to Chichi. I mean he looks hilariously repulsed when she hugs him after he agrees to marry her. I know this is shonen but I still find it funny to think about.
Chi Chi forced him? Or like some animals they mated with no "love" from it. Just to reproduce. Though Goku was mostly during that or perhaps how Saiyans breed while Chi Chi thought it was love. Though in the anime they did Kiss.

Perhaps Goku didn't forget all his Saiyan memories.

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