Why the Broly hate?

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by crisis » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:11 pm

At the end of the day, it all just boils down to "the good guys always win, doesn't matter if it defies logic" :D

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:58 pm

rereboy wrote:And the point is not being a gag. That makes zero sense.
Made perfect sense to me. Movie 8 was filled with gags. So Broly's background being a gag is not surprising to me(not saying it's fact).
rereboy wrote:The same reason a identical twin is not considered the same person as his twin.
Well most twins don't act exactly alike, fight alike, talk alike(Might have same pitch), or even do ANYTHING alike. Bio Broly is a clone not a twin. A twin is not a clone.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by Duo » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:55 am

Of course, all this leads to is Bio-Broli and Broli fusing together in hell during GT. That might have been a bit better than that Super #17 bit.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by rereboy » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:21 am

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rereboy wrote:And the point is not being a gag. That makes zero sense.
Made perfect sense to me. Movie 8 was filled with gags. So Broly's background being a gag is not surprising to me(not saying it's fact).
rereboy wrote:The same reason a identical twin is not considered the same person as his twin.
Well most twins don't act exactly alike, fight alike, talk alike(Might have same pitch), or even do ANYTHING alike. Bio Broly is a clone not a twin. A twin is not a clone.
You are seriously suggesting that they thought up Broly's background as a gag...? I couldn't disagree more.

And actually, a twin shares basically the same genetic material with his twin. A clone isn't much different than a identical twin. However, bio-broly also seemed to have at least some memories of Broly, which explains how he acted, but, as I said, that doesn't make him the same person.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by ABED » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:42 am

I do agree that the clone isn't the same person but he would likely act remarkably similar. Even twins that get separated at birth often are very similar (same job, tastes in women/men, etc)
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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by dbboxkaifan » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:07 am

As much as I despise Broli for his pointless violent behaviour I'd have liked to have seen him turning into a Super Oozaru.

Toei Animation, please do not ever bring back Broli ever again back to life on anime-form. *fingers crossed*
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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by Hades » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:28 am

Take all of the worst traits of Dragonball, and put them into one character.
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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:56 am

rereboy wrote:I pretty much already explained why he's a different person... Technicaly he was made of Broly's DNA and seems to have at least some of his memories, but he is another person. And we don't even know exactly how he compares to the real Broly in terms of power, abilities, full range of memories, etc.
Bio-Broli is a different person, but he is an exact copy of the original with an altered body. Since he knew about "KAKAROTTO!", and had the same fighting style & techniques of the original, it means that he has all of his memories, and since the Bio-Men are supposed to be stronger than normal humans, Bio-Broli should be at least as strong as the original.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by goku the krump dancer » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:36 am

"Broly kicks ass and looks cool doing it."

Now I know that may seem like a generic silly youtube comment and yes its just an opinion but its a pretty popular one and not just among average american toonami era youtube fans either. I mean, all the "official" "Broly Wank" material comes from Japan, the guy spawned three movies way before the big western boom of Dragon Ball fandom and his popularity obviously only increased since then. I doubt the game developers shoehorn Broly into everything solely to please the western audience.
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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:58 pm

No offense, but I'm not a fan of Broly because I felt he didn't have that much personalty as the main villains like Frieza, Cell, and Majin Buu. I also felt his backstory was a little weak and his reason for hating Goku was petty in my opinion. I also think he's overrated.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by garnetjester » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:06 pm

Broly is a ridiculous character, but I kinda love him for it. I mean, he keeps a lifetime grudge for a baby who was crying next to him when they were both newborns, if anything, he should've hated Vegeta for what his father did to Paragas and him, at least it would've made more sense. But maybe Broly was supposed to be completely bonkers and mentally unstable, which is what I think makes him so scary and it kind of works as a different kind of villain.

I think Tullece did the "bad saiyan" thing much better than Broly, he seemed like a more well fleshed out character and was a lot more eloquent :lol: but at least I appreciate that Broly ended up being the legendary super saiyan instead of Goku.
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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by rereboy » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:10 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Bio-Broli is a different person, but he is an exact copy of the original with an altered body. Since he knew about "KAKAROTTO!", and had the same fighting style & techniques of the original, it means that he has all of his memories, and since the Bio-Men are supposed to be stronger than normal humans, Bio-Broli should be at least as strong as the original.
It means that he had at least some of the memories and some of the abilities. The extent of those is completely unknown.

Also, the bio-process working in a saiyan like Broly with exactly the same results is just an assumption contradicted by the fact of how easily Bio-Broly was affected by that goo and then killed by sea water. I don't imagine a stronger version of Broly being affected by that, especially when we even see the real Broly be unharmed by lava.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:39 pm

rereboy wrote:It means that he had at least some of the memories and some of the abilities. The extent of those is completely unknown.
True, but there is no reason to assume that his memories were limited.
rereboy wrote:Also, the bio-process working in a saiyan like Broly with exactly the same results is just an assumption contradicted by the fact of how easily Bio-Broly was affected by that goo and then killed by sea water. I don't imagine a stronger version of Broly being affected by that, especially when we even see the real Broly be unharmed by lava.
That had nothing to do with his power, it had to do with his body structure. Like Boo's body is less durable than a normal body.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by rereboy » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:10 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: True, but there is no reason to assume that his memories were limited.
Sure. I'm just saying that we don't know for sure.

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:That had nothing to do with his power, it had to do with his body structure. Like Boo's body is less durable than a normal body.
That's a pretty big difference from the real Broly.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:11 pm

rereboy wrote:That's a pretty big difference from the real Broly.
But has nothing to do with his power.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:20 pm

rereboy wrote:
You are seriously suggesting that they thought up Broly's background as a gag...? I couldn't disagree more.

And actually, a twin shares basically the same genetic material with his twin. A clone isn't much different than a identical twin. However, bio-broly also seemed to have at least some memories of Broly, which explains how he acted, but, as I said, that doesn't make him the same person.
Yes I'm dead ass serious. The whole movie was filled of gags. I didn't say twins didn't have the same genetics, I said they don't act EXACTLY alike. In fact most of them might be similar at TIMES but mostly act very different. While Bio-Broly was pretty much Broly with Science in him.
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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:34 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
rereboy wrote:
You are seriously suggesting that they thought up Broly's background as a gag...? I couldn't disagree more.

And actually, a twin shares basically the same genetic material with his twin. A clone isn't much different than a identical twin. However, bio-broly also seemed to have at least some memories of Broly, which explains how he acted, but, as I said, that doesn't make him the same person.
Yes I'm dead ass serious. The whole movie was filled of gags. I didn't say twins didn't have the same genetics, I said they don't act EXACTLY alike. In fact most of them might be similar at TIMES but mostly act very different. While Bio-Vrly was pretty much Broly with Science in him.
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Anyway, I will admit that Movie 8 Broly did have one good line.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by orbweaver » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:53 pm

Broly is a ridiculous character who makes little sense, but I have to say this, DBZ is a ridiculous show that often makes little sense, I love it for that, and just don't have very high expectations.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by rereboy » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:58 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
rereboy wrote:That's a pretty big difference from the real Broly.
But has nothing to do with his power.
How do you know that? From his "battle" with the kids? He could have been much weaker than the Broly from movie 8 and nothing would change in the movie.

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Re: Why the Broly hate?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:19 pm

rereboy wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
rereboy wrote:That's a pretty big difference from the real Broly.
But has nothing to do with his power.
How do you know that? From his "battle" with the kids? He could have been much weaker than the Broly from movie 8 and nothing would change in the movie.
If it didn't make the Bio-Men weaker than normal men, then I don't see why he would be weaker than normal Broli.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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