How Goku intended to kill Pure Boo.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

So Goku states he is going all out right from the start. Or in other words, fighting out the most he can give to Boo. But was Goku already full power during the fight and aiming to charge his ki "beyond his limits"? (similar to Piccolo's Makankosappo on Raditz"), or was Goku trying to focus his full power in one shot without draining his ki.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”

Chapter: 511 (DBZ 317), P8.3-5, P10.4
Context: as Goku gathers ki, while Vegeta holds off pure Boo
Goku: “Just a little more…….!! Just a little bit more. Tough it out for me, Vegeta….!!”
Vegeta: “St…still not yet?...Hurry up…..!! I’ll be ki…..killed………..!!”
Goku: “Sh-shit…! It-it’s already over 1 minute, but…N-not yet! I still can’t wipe out Boo with this much…! [ ] …Da...Damn it……..!! …I haven’t gathered all the ki!! What’s going on? He…he’ll be killed…..!!!”

Chapter: 512 (DBZ 318), P1.6
Context: Vegeta asks Goku if he’s gathered enough ki to defeat Boo yet
Goku: “I…I know..! I know, but…It’s strange… I gathered my ki close to full power, but…The ki which I al…already gathered has begun falling off…!”


The last sentence in this tells me that Goku was aiming to fight Pure Boo at full power like he had intended from the start but overestimated the limitations of his living body. But this could be referring to the full power of the ki attack he is trying to achieve beyond his normal full power? I dunno, can anyone make this more clear?

[sekzee]

It is entirely possible that Goku intended to fight at full power, but merely transforming into SSJ3 does not automatically place him there. He certainly fought well, but he was unable to truly concentrate to max out his power because of Buu's tenacity and the stress and drain on his body.

However, there is no doubt in my mind that he was going to annihilate him with a ki blast. There is simply no other way to completely eradicate Buu.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

It is entirely possible that Goku intended to fight at full power, but merely transforming into SSJ3 does not automatically place him there. He certainly fought well, but he was unable to truly concentrate to max out his power because of Buu's tenacity and the stress and drain on his body.

However, there is no doubt in my mind that he was going to annihilate him with a ki blast. There is simply no other way to completely eradicate Buu.

I also found this quote in the Daizenshuu : "Not even a full power Goku can defeat Boo". Supposedly, the Daizenshuu's got that wrong since Goku was aiming to defeat Pure boo at full power as he stated in the last sentence "I gathered my ki close to full power, but the ki I had already began gathering has started fading away". So the Daizenshuu contradicts what's said in the manga.

[Kamiccolo9]

It is entirely possible that Goku intended to fight at full power, but merely transforming into SSJ3 does not automatically place him there. He certainly fought well, but he was unable to truly concentrate to max out his power because of Buu's tenacity and the stress and drain on his body.

However, there is no doubt in my mind that he was going to annihilate him with a ki blast. There is simply no other way to completely eradicate Buu.

I also found this quote in the Daizenshuu : "Not even a full power Goku can defeat Boo". Supposedly, the Daizenshuu's got that wrong since Goku was aiming to defeat Pure boo at full power as he stated in the last sentence "I gathered my ki close to full power, but the ki I had already began gathering has started fading away". So the Daizenshuu contradicts what's said in the manga.

Goku saying that he was going to use his full power to try to beat Buu does not mean that his full power was capable of beating Buu. I'm not saying he could or couldn't either way, but it is entirely possible for Goku to be mistaken, or for him to be a victim of wishful thinking.

[mAcChaos]

Yeah they were wrong about Buu so many times you could make a Wikipedia full of it.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

was Goku already full power during the fight and aiming to charge his ki "beyond his limits"? (similar to Piccolo's Makankosappo on Raditz")

Yeah, I guess this is what he was doing.

[rereboy]

I interpreted it as Goku maxing out his power in other to do a final attack on Buu, probably a Ki blast, powerful enough to destroy him completely.

That's what was missing from their fight. They were in the same realm of power, but everything Goku did had no effect thanks to Buu's regeneration and stamina. He knew that he needed something big to destroy him in one go, but Buu didn't leave him alone long him enough to gather his power in order to do that.

[Super Vegetto]

Instant Full Power Kamehameha is your answer...

[RandomGuy96]

Chapter: 512 (DBZ 318), P1.6
Context: Vegeta asks Goku if he’s gathered enough ki to defeat Boo yet
Goku: “I…I know..! I know, but…It’s strange… I gathered my ki close to full power, but…The ki which I al…already gathered has begun falling off…!”

That one's kinda weird. Why was he only gathering ki close to his full power? The previous quotes indicated that he wanted to gather all of his energy into one blast, a power BEYOND his full power.

[Saiga]

Chapter: 512 (DBZ 318), P1.6
Context: Vegeta asks Goku if he’s gathered enough ki to defeat Boo yet
Goku: “I…I know..! I know, but…It’s strange… I gathered my ki close to full power, but…The ki which I al…already gathered has begun falling off…!”

That one's kinda weird. Why was he only gathering ki close to his full power? The previous quotes indicated that he wanted to gather all of his energy into one blast, a power BEYOND his full power.

Maybe because he'd already lost some energy (that he expected) and he's gathering everything he could? The result would still be beyond his full power but the ki he's gathering is just what he has.

[MDSTSSJ]

Goku saying that he was going to use his full power to try to beat Buu does not mean that his full power was capable of beating Buu. I'm not saying he could or couldn't either way, but it is entirely possible for Goku to be mistaken, or for him to be a victim of wishful thinking.

We are clear that Kakarotto going all out from the begining does not mean that he could defeat him just with fighting techniques.

Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”

I don't think Goku was mistaken because he already knows perfectly what Pure Boo is capable of after having fought for a while against him. After that, Goku realizes that the only way to defeat him, is gather a lot of energy and blast him with one super Kamahameha. Goku is not Vegeta. Vegeta always says that he is gonna defeat and opponent and most of the time we always see the opposite.

When Goku tries to gather all his energy, he realize he can't due to the SSJ3 disadvantage being alive.

If Kakarotto had know from the beginning the disadvantage of SSJ3, he would have found the way to gather energy earlier and shoot a super kamehameha to kill Pure Boo.

[Mystic Buu]

The only reasonable reason is very powerful Kamehameha to eradicate Buu like Genki-Dama did.I don't see him planning on fighting him with full power becuase he would just regenerate.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think a Full-Power KameHameHa would be his go to technique in this situation.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I think a Full-Power KameHameHa would be his go to technique in this situation.

Well after reading all these comments, I would have to assume that the full-power Kamehameha would be like what Piccolo did on Radditz. It manipulated his ki beyond his normal limitations. My guess would be that Goku was trying to achieve something similar. I mean if Goku was fighting Pure boo at full power the whole fight, then the "gather your ki with all your might" meant something beyond that. But Goku's power kept being eaten away from a living body strain. The question is, when Goku said "I gathered my ki close to full power", was he referring to his own full power or the full power of his final attack?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Most likely the power of the attack. Mainly because of these comments during the power-up:

Goku: “Sh-shit…! It-it’s already over 1 minute, but…N-not yet! I still can’t wipe out Boo with this much…! [ ] …Da...Damn it……..!! …I haven’t gathered all the ki!! What’s going on? He…he’ll be killed…..!!!”

Seems like he's more focused on building-up a certain amount of Chi for an attack rather than achieving a full-power state. I doubt he'd wipe Kid Boo out with anything other than a really powerful Chi-attack.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Most likely the power of the attack. Mainly because of these comments during the power-up:

Goku: “Sh-shit…! It-it’s already over 1 minute, but…N-not yet! I still can’t wipe out Boo with this much…! [ ] …Da...Damn it……..!! …I haven’t gathered all the ki!! What’s going on? He…he’ll be killed…..!!!”

Seems like he's more focused on building-up a certain amount of Chi for an attack rather than achieving a full-power state. I doubt he'd wipe Kid Boo out with anything other than a really powerful Chi-attack.

You see, that's what I think now. Goku was fighting at full power against Boo. He notices that their fight is completely even and tries to gather his ki into his attack to defeat him, but Boo never gave him the chance.
He was indeed certain that he could have destroyed him, but he needed Vegeta to stall Boo in order for him to focus his ki and even that proved to fail since he ends up overestimating the limitations of SSJ3 in a living body which therefore gave Pure boo the advantage over Goku. If Goku were still dead, he would have easily been able to achieve his goal.