Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

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Re: Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:39 pm

kidglov3s wrote:Detailwise no way in hell should Blu-ray be going tit for tat with digibeta to first generation DVD, while being blurrier. The shocking thing is that these are at all similar, any 2014 Blu-ray should absolutely wipe the floor with Digibeta to 1999 DVD, not be neck and neck. Again this is purely in terms of detail.
True enough, but when the show itself is still always gonna be from the 90's, I'm pretty sure there's only so much that can be done. But, I'm not a video expert, so that's why I just say what I think looks better rather than get into these debates fully - I know and admit I don't know (or care) enough to do more than judge my own personal preference.
Metalwario64 wrote:Even still, I prefer the old digibeta footage because it's 4x3 and not tampered with like these new sets.
Eh, if that's what those old singles looked like, then I'd rather stick with my Season Sets even, over that. But to each their own, obviously (and again I kick myself for not nabbing the Boxes when I could do so much easier).
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Re: Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:42 pm

eledoremassis02 wrote:I dont think they looked bad at all. :)
I like their look, because it makes me feel nostalgic, but that footage is riddled with problems ranging from rainbow banding, color bleeding, and just overall fuzziness. Although, even though the last few Orange Bricks look very good, it'd have overall have been better if FUNimation just reused their digibetas for the season sets. They're certainly serviceable.
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Post by kidglov3s » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:44 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:
kidglov3s wrote:Detailwise no way in hell should Blu-ray be going tit for tat with digibeta to first generation DVD, while being blurrier. The shocking thing is that these are at all similar, any 2014 Blu-ray should absolutely wipe the floor with Digibeta to 1999 DVD, not be neck and neck. Again this is purely in terms of detail.
True enough, but when the show itself is still always gonna be from the 90's, I'm pretty sure there's only so much that can be done. But, I'm not a video expert, so that's why I just say what I think looks better rather than get into these debates fully - I know and admit I don't know (or care) enough to do more than judge my own personal preference.
Video is a perfect word to use there, because the concept your discussing absolutely applies to things shot on SD video, they look as good as they're gonna look. Things shot on film (like DBZ), however, have much much more detail than can be seen on Digibeta/DVD, and can benefit from potential for extra detail with HD whether the source is from the 1900s (as in like 1906) or the 2000s.

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:03 pm

Here is a set of comparison shots that I was able to take now that I was finally able to take screenshots of the Blu-rays. I know that they are not at 100% quality, but they weren't saved as JPEGs and they look pretty much the way they played on my computer. What I was really looking for was the cropping and colors. Honestly, these things look good. If they have any downfall it's the cropping :/ Also, these are taken from the first episode of Dragon Ball Z, which is the worst-looking by far in terms of dirt on the film.

JAPANESE DRAGON BOX DVD

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DRAGON BALL "Z" KAI BLU-RAY

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DRAGON BALL Z LEVEL 1.1

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DRAGON BALL Z SEASON 1 DVD

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DRAGON BALL Z SEASON 1 BLU-RAY

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Hopefully it helps somebody out that was on the fence about these things and I didn't just waste my time and yours lol

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Post by RocktheDragon » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:09 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Here is a set of comparison shots that I was able to take now that I was finally able to take screenshots of the Blu-rays. I know that they are not at 100% quality, but they weren't saved as JPEGs and they look pretty much the way they played on my computer. What I was really looking for was the cropping and colors. Honestly, these things look good. If they have any downfall it's the cropping :/ Also, these are taken from the first episode of Dragon Ball Z, which is the worst-looking by far in terms of dirt on the film.
Hopefully it helps somebody out that was on the fence about these things and I didn't just waste my time and yours lol
Thank you for doing that! It's very helpful to see actually. It just keeps me wanting a full release of the level sets though...I can't change my mind about that. The Japanese Dragon Box release is a beauty too. Thanks a bunch! :thumbup:
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:12 pm

Awesome :) Glad it helped you. I'll do more later on.

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Post by kidglov3s » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:16 pm

Chroma noise helps Blu-ray win this round.

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I still think they're oddly comparable detailwise.

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Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:20 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Here is a set of comparison shots that I was able to take now that I was finally able to take screenshots of the Blu-rays. I know that they are not at 100% quality, but they weren't saved as JPEGs and they look pretty much the way they played on my computer. What I was really looking for was the cropping and colors. Honestly, these things look good. If they have any downfall it's the cropping :/ Also, these are taken from the first episode of Dragon Ball Z, which is the worst-looking by far in terms of dirt on the film.

*snip*
Those comparisons are useless. They aren't taken properly (most are the wrong resolution or aspect ratio as well), and the "Kai Blu-ray" shot looks like the colors were tampered with.

This goes for everyone: you shouldn't waste your time making comparisons with images you found, because there's a good chance they aren't taken properly.
kidglov3s wrote:Chroma noise helps Blu-ray win this round.

*snip*

I still think they're oddly comparable detailwise.
Yeah, Pioneer's encoding for their Dragon Ball Z releases was atrocious. Even though FUNimation's was still pretty crap, they at least fixed some of the problems Pioneer had, and if you compare the Pioneer release of Movie 1 with the "First Strike" FUNimation release, you'll see that Pioneer introduced lots of additional artifacts such as heavy rainbowing around edges.

This shot is really sad, and telling at the same time:
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:26 pm

qjz123 wrote:Still doesn't change the fact that the level sets look sharper.
Sharpened video doesn't necessarily mean better and Kai's blurry video has proven to have more detail than the grainy darkened video of the Level BDs.

Besides, if people really want to sharpen a video up tweak their TV's settings for it.
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Enigmo wrote:And the level sets aren't so great. They're not nearly as detail-showing as you think they are. The blacks are crushed; the grain looks fake; the image behind all that grain isn't even incredibly sharp......the only good thing was the amount of image it showed and the colours looked good.
I'd have to agree with this.
TheGreatness25 wrote:Here is a set of comparison shots that I was able to take now that I was finally able to take screenshots of the Blu-rays. I know that they are not at 100% quality, but they weren't saved as JPEGs and they look pretty much the way they played on my computer. What I was really looking for was the cropping and colors. Honestly, these things look good. If they have any downfall it's the cropping :/ Also, these are taken from the first episode of Dragon Ball Z, which is the worst-looking by far in terms of dirt on the film.



Hopefully it helps somebody out that was on the fence about these things and I didn't just waste my time and yours lol
To me it looked best like this: Dragon Box Z > Dragon Ball Kai > Dragon Ball Z Level BDs > Dragon Ball Season BDs > Dragon Ball Z Orange Bricks

The Level BDs would've been near perfect if FUNimation didn't exaggerate on making parts of the image too dark like it's their usual habit to do with "remastered" footage.
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Post by qjz123 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:29 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Here is a set of comparison shots that I was able to take now that I was finally able to take screenshots of the Blu-rays. I know that they are not at 100% quality, but they weren't saved as JPEGs and they look pretty much the way they played on my computer. What I was really looking for was the cropping and colors. Honestly, these things look good. If they have any downfall it's the cropping :/ Also, these are taken from the first episode of Dragon Ball Z, which is the worst-looking by far in terms of dirt on the film.
Hopefully it helps somebody out that was on the fence about these things and I didn't just waste my time and yours lol
The screenshots you took of the level sets and the season blu rays aren't proper the colors aren't accurate. They have a weird brown tint.
Here are the proper versions
Level sets
http://i.minus.com/ibvz0cIDn0vD2w.png
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Post by kidglov3s » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:37 pm

Metalwario64 wrote: Yeah, Pioneer's encoding for their Dragon Ball Z releases was atrocious
Yeah I guess it's only worthwhile doing comparisons with stuff from Double Cross because the Pioneer DVDs' chroma problems negate the purpose of doing this.

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:51 pm

Well that's how they come up on my computer. I didn't tamper with anything.

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Post by MarcFBR » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:57 pm

Image comparisons are always telling for a number of reasons.

The first is, it's just always interesting to see the difference.

The other interesting thing is, you rarely get even comparisons. In general they're based off the most unique bad parts of any given thing.

And of course, the last and hardest to generally get people to understand... a still image isn't how something will look in motion.

While not comparing it to these (which, while not looking in depth, kg seems to have done a relatively good job on it, using scenes that people found on their own) my favorite of recent memory is based on the most recent Robocop Blu-ray. Someone found a few seconds that didn't look as good as the rest of the film, and then tried to force the comparison to say that the old Criterion DVD was better.

And TheGreatness, no one is saying 'you' tampered with the shots (or that you did it on purpose) but your shots are worthless for comparison purposes.
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Post by kidglov3s » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:26 pm

Another from Double Cross:

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Post by Black_Anime_Fan » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:31 pm

Enigmo wrote:And the level sets aren't so great. They're not nearly as detail-showing as you think they are. The blacks are crushed; the grain looks fake; the image behind all that grain isn't even incredibly sharp......the only good thing was the amount of image it showed and the colours looked good.
I disagree. The Levels were the best DBZ has ever looked IMO. No other release could touch it in my eyes. Try and work with the masters FUNimation were given and tell me you could do any better. As for the grain, did you think you weren't going to see that much in the first place on a Full HD picture? This isn't a SD DVD quality where the grain is hidden.
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Post by matiasdf » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:37 pm

Well, this pretty much confirms that Season 1´s remastering base is the Levels´ set of masters.

Also, Kai shows what Toei could do if they wanted to.

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Post by Black_Anime_Fan » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:46 pm

matiasdf wrote:Well, this pretty much confirms that Season 1´s remastering base is the Levels´ set of masters.

Also, Kai shows what Toei could do if they wanted to.
I don't think Toei really tried THAT hard to make Kai look really good. In fact, a lot scenes even looked better in the original.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:01 am

Alright I get it, everyone's an expert on video. I know to me, I'd rather see a picture of the different releases to get a good idea of what is being discussed here. Merely giving out descriptions isn't enough for a fan like myself and I assumed the same was true with others. But that's fine, I mean if everyone thinks the comparison shots are "worthless" because they don't get the point across, even though I see no real problems with them, then that's fine. I have the different releases, don't need the comparisons. I was doing it for someone looking into getting the sets. But alright, never mind the comparisons.

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Post by Metalwario64 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:15 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:even though I see no real problems with them
The colors and overall quality are off. Your Kai shot looks really brown, the Dragon Box shot looks terribly compressed, has a sharpening filter and isn't even the correct resolution, the Orange Brick shot had the sharpness increased and the Level set screenshot is oversaturated, when the actual footage is not.

The reason they're useless is because they aren't representative of their actual quality.
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Post by qjz123 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:28 am

Here are all of the random screenshots that I've taken from this release http://min.us/mxa8y5G4dA4hk .
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