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I don't think the shots are absolutely worthless for comparison purposes. You even noted that we can see some kind of difference between the various versions. For instance, even without motion the difference between the level sets and current BD release of DBZ is obvious (scrubbing of grain vs. keeping the grain). So yes it's limiting but not entirely worthless. But that's just me.MarcFBR wrote:Image comparisons are always telling for a number of reasons.
The first is, it's just always interesting to see the difference.
The other interesting thing is, you rarely get even comparisons. In general they're based off the most unique bad parts of any given thing.
And of course, the last and hardest to generally get people to understand... a still image isn't how something will look in motion.
While not comparing it to these (which, while not looking in depth, kg seems to have done a relatively good job on it, using scenes that people found on their own) my favorite of recent memory is based on the most recent Robocop Blu-ray. Someone found a few seconds that didn't look as good as the rest of the film, and then tried to force the comparison to say that the old Criterion DVD was better.
And TheGreatness, no one is saying 'you' tampered with the shots (or that you did it on purpose) but your shots are worthless for comparison purposes.
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I was referring to someone ELSES comparison shots (I refer to kg, which i was using as shorthand for kidglov3s.)RocktheDragon wrote: I don't think the shots are absolutely worthless for comparison purposes. You even noted that we can see some kind of difference between the various versions. For instance, even without motion the difference between the level sets and current BD release of DBZ is obvious (scrubbing of grain vs. keeping the grain). So yes it's limiting but not entirely worthless. But that's just me.
See, of the shots you're posting here, I can only think that the Blu-Ray looks better in every way. What's a let-down is how little an improvement it is over the original, poorly encoded/macroblocky DVDs detail and sharpness wise.kidglov3s wrote:Looks like Ginyu's mouth got a wacky MSPaint makeover.
Her,MarcFBR wrote:his captures with their own disks.
Notice how the blur line in the Blu-ray is bigger and blurrier. There is always some degree of blurring on the Blu-ray shots, even in comparison to what should be a complete loser in the 2000 digibeta sourced DVD. It's like everything has this faint heavenly glow about it.bkev wrote:Are those outlines in the season image from the art itself or is that haloing a result of poor sharpening filters? It's kind of hard to tell given the comparison seems to have a similar ring around it filled with compression.
Even the japanese footage is zoomed in.TheGreatness25 wrote:Here is a set of comparison shots that I was able to take now that I was finally able to take screenshots of the Blu-rays. I know that they are not at 100% quality, but they weren't saved as JPEGs and they look pretty much the way they played on my computer. What I was really looking for was the cropping and colors. Honestly, these things look good. If they have any downfall it's the cropping :/ Also, these are taken from the first episode of Dragon Ball Z, which is the worst-looking by far in terms of dirt on the film.
That's actually not that abnormal in animation (greyish and various tints of blue are common in specific cases.)eledoremassis02 wrote:its interesting on how some of the black outlines turn greish on the Bluray
Exactly. It's ridiculous that the Blu-ray just barely manages to be an improvement over the crappy Digibeta footage.Cipher wrote:What's a let-down is how little an improvement it is over the original, poorly encoded/macroblocky DVDs detail and sharpness wise.
True but when they are originally black. It seems its from the DNR blending the line art with what ever colors next to it.MarcFBR wrote:That's actually not that abnormal in animation (greyish and various tints of blue are common in specific cases.)eledoremassis02 wrote:its interesting on how some of the black outlines turn greish on the Bluray
Yes, but in the comparison you reposted, the lines don't exactly scream BLACK in the DVD version. It's more a case of the eye recognizing it as black.eledoremassis02 wrote:True but when they are originally black. It seems its from the DNR blending the line art with what ever colors next to it.MarcFBR wrote:That's actually not that abnormal in animation (greyish and various tints of blue are common in specific cases.)eledoremassis02 wrote:its interesting on how some of the black outlines turn greish on the Bluray
I assume it's because of the quality of the DVD is someone could post a Dragon Box equivalent that would help a lot more.MarcFBR wrote:
Yes, but in the comparison you reposted, the lines don't exactly scream BLACK in the DVD version. It's more a case of the eye recognizing it as black.
Eh, I think until we see it with a different DVD we won't agree on this one. In general anyplace on that cap where I see something on the BD side, I see an equivalent issue on the DVD side, suggesting it's because of issues on the film.eledoremassis02 wrote:I assume it's because of the quality of the DVD is someone could post a Dragon Box equivalent that would help a lot more.MarcFBR wrote:
Yes, but in the comparison you reposted, the lines don't exactly scream BLACK in the DVD version. It's more a case of the eye recognizing it as black.
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