Buu Saga Kai

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Cold Skin » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:42 pm

But if they made a Dragon Ball Heroes anime, would it fit properly in the anime story so far?
The story would be all the battles we've seen, and suddenly it would switch to battles of cards with our heroes being at the service of unknown kids?

I think if they do it, it should be more of a spin-off that doesn't enter in the storyline we've known (much like the current manga pages if I'm not mistaken).
More like a separate, alternative version of the Dragon Ball franchise, with Dragon Ball Heroes being totally apart from the Dragon Ball - Dragon Ball Z/Kai - Dragon Ball GT storyline. Sort of a what-if series.

Anway, I would expect the Boo saga to end with some kind of announcement, even if it's just a vague "see you soon for more" without telling what exactly will come up, like they did with the 2008 special.

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Post by Big Momma » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:45 pm

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There are many things wrong with this image, but I can't help but focus on the fact that he summoned SSJ4 for Freeza and Coola.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:47 pm

Cold Skin wrote:I think if they do it, it should be more of a spin-off that doesn't enter in the storyline we've known (much like the current manga pages if I'm not mistaken).
The DBHeroes manga takes place in the Dragon World we know, many years after GT.
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Post by Cold Skin » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:35 pm

^ But then... How come that our heroes who fought Gods are now used as toys by kids?
That's really weird to imagine it as the actual future of what we see in the original shows...

I sure hope that if they do end up creating a TV show, they'll come up with something else than "and the greatest beings in the universe now participate in making kids have their daily fun, taking on the role of Pokémons and obeying children with a big smile on their faces".

I really... can't picture a Heroes anime that would be in line with the previous shows if they use our popular warriors as playground obediant fighters in all weird combinations of fights and forms (really, Super Saiyan 4 VS Freezer?! And Super Saiyan 3 for every single Saiyan? (except Bardack, but wait for it, I'm sure that in the end...)

I'm sure if they make a new show, they'll come up with something that makes enough sense to make a whole show about it, not just randomly killing all that has been built up so far in all previous shows.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:48 pm

Heroes would work better in a AU to avoid plot holes since it has characters from the other DBZ movies when most of the movies can't fit into the main timeline. Also that the general public have no idea who the villains like Freeza are. How could they make a game based on the adventures of the Z fighters if they don't know who half the villains are. The public in the anime only knows about Piccolo Daimo, Nappa & Vegeta, Cell, Buu (2008 Special retcon the wish to erase the memories of Buu) and most likely the Shadow Dragons.

The reason why we haven't seen a Heroes TV show yet could be that Toei has been working on the Buu saga and have been waiting to release it in 2014 as a anniversary gift to the series. This year is DBZ's 25th anniversary and the 30th anniversary of the manga.
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Post by Metalwario64 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:26 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The DBHeroes manga takes place in the Dragon World we know, many years after GT.
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I thought Episode of Bardock was the most stupid thing done to Dragon Ball, but Heroes just took its spot as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by TheOverlyMadHatter » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:47 am

Cold Skin wrote:^ But then... How come that our heroes who fought Gods are now used as toys by kids?
That's really weird to imagine it as the actual future of what we see in the original shows...
We'd pretty much be getting Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters: Dragon Ball edition... funny that YGO would return to Toei through Dragon Ball, which was referenced by Yugi in the first chapter of the former manga. While this is all hypothetical, they'd definitely do it if they believed it'd increase merchandise sales.A dreadful thought.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:33 am

Cold Skin wrote:^ But then... How come that our heroes who fought Gods are now used as toys by kids?
That's really weird to imagine it as the actual future of what we see in the original shows...

I sure hope that if they do end up creating a TV show, they'll come up with something else than "and the greatest beings in the universe now participate in making kids have their daily fun, taking on the role of Pokémons and obeying children with a big smile on their faces".

I really... can't picture a Heroes anime that would be in line with the previous shows if they use our popular warriors as playground obediant fighters in all weird combinations of fights and forms (really, Super Saiyan 4 VS Freezer?! And Super Saiyan 3 for every single Saiyan? (except Bardack, but wait for it, I'm sure that in the end...)

I'm sure if they make a new show, they'll come up with something that makes enough sense to make a whole show about it, not just randomly killing all that has been built up so far in all previous shows.
As much as I hate the idea of our favorite heroes being used as virtual fighters by a bunch of kids, I could see a Heroes anime in the same vein as Victory Mission being an overall asset to the franchise (even if some of the fans don't like it). We don't know how the Heroes machine came to be right now (though they seem to function in an alternate dimension, bringing the playing inside the machine and can utilize some sort of time travel), or how the characters were brought in as fighters for a children's game. Still, Toyble's Victory Mission manga is set far after the events of GT, as Note mentions something about how legendary warriors used Dragon Balls in the past. I'm not sure if she realizes she is actually talking about the characters in the game though...

The main point that makes all of this easier to swallow is that the focus of Toyble's manga isn't really about the cards. Matter of fact, they're practically never mentioned once a battle starts. They all take place entirely inside the game, fully virtualized in the game dimension and often ignoring some of the rules. It's almost as if we're watching actual fights, not a game. A lot of fans, even when it's not strength discussions, like the idea of different character mash-ups and interactions, like "what-if Nail helped out versus the Ginyus" or "what-if Gohan and Gotenks helped out against pure Buu". Heroes can make that happen. We can have the larger story arcs with the new Heroes characters while having those sorts of fun what-ifs during battles with old favorite characters. And with the Z Senshi just being characters in a game, they are immortalized to always help out with the new form of danger that can strike within this new dimension.

Not exactly happy about the idea, but there are things that make it a lot easier to swallow than literally watching Beat throw Goku out in a Pokeball or summon him as a card on a duel disk by sacrificing Kuririn and Roshi...
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Post by Kaboom » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:21 am

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There are many things wrong with this image, but I can't help but focus on the fact that he summoned SSJ4 for Freeza and Coola.
We all end up using a Charizard against a Weedle now and then. If you got it, flaunt it.

I do love that art, though. I may see if I can color in SSJ4 Goku and make an avatar out of it, or something.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:21 am

I'm fine with a Heroes TV series as long if it's good. I don't care if it's toy gimmicky since DBZ always been known to be merchandise driven.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by sintzu » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:53 am

If we get a series after kai it has a bigger chance of being a sequel to battle of gods then anything else
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Post by Blade » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:42 am

sintzu wrote:If we get a series after kai it has a bigger chance of being a sequel to battle of gods then anything else
I'm not sure about that. A series is a big commitment, and unless it was comprised of Toriyama scripts or based on a Toriyama premise, I doubt Toei would produce it. They know the importance of selling material with the original author's work on it - they know that filler and side-stories usually tend to be unpopular and generate less interest.

And, quite frankly, getting involved in such a big project would be incredibly un-like Toriyama. I think he'd do another movie, or at least he seems to speak warmly enough of his involvement in Battle of Gods to intimate that he'd be a willing participant in a future venture of similar scope.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by sintzu » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:48 am

Blade wrote:
sintzu wrote:If we get a series after kai it has a bigger chance of being a sequel to battle of gods then anything else
I'm not sure about that. A series is a big commitment, and unless it was comprised of Toriyama scripts or based on a Toriyama premise, I doubt Toei would produce it. They know the importance of selling material with the original author's work on it - they know that filler and side-stories usually tend to be unpopular and generate less interest.

And, quite frankly, getting involved in such a big project would be incredibly un-like Toriyama. I think he'd do another movie, or at least he seems to speak warmly enough of his involvement in Battle of Gods to intimate that he'd be a willing participant in a future venture of similar scope.
He wown't have to write evry episode. They can let him know how many episodes they want and he can write a story that can cover that number and design the charecters.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:48 pm

sintzu wrote:If we get a series after kai it has a bigger chance of being a sequel to battle of gods then anything else
I see a sequel to BOG working as a movie, not as a show. The idea of Goku going to other worlds can work as three or four movies, but not a 50 episode show.
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Post by Sshadow5001 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:14 pm

Do we know if they'll still be using Kikuchi music for Buu Saga Kai? My worry is if I eventually buy Kai it won't have consistent music.
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Post by Blade » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:19 pm

Sshadow5001 wrote:Do we know if they'll still be using Kikuchi music for Buu Saga Kai? My worry is if I eventually buy Kai it won't have consistent music.
No. There's a new composer, the fellow who scored Battle of Gods was rehired for the Buu arc of Kai.
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Post by sangofe » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:23 am

Blade wrote:
Sshadow5001 wrote:Do we know if they'll still be using Kikuchi music for Buu Saga Kai? My worry is if I eventually buy Kai it won't have consistent music.
No. There's a new composer, the fellow who scored Battle of Gods was rehired for the Buu arc of Kai.
Huh, how do you know that the one who did the Battle of Gods score is behind the Boo arc of Kai?

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Blade wrote:
Sshadow5001 wrote:Do we know if they'll still be using Kikuchi music for Buu Saga Kai? My worry is if I eventually buy Kai it won't have consistent music.
No. There's a new composer, the fellow who scored Battle of Gods was rehired for the Buu arc of Kai.
Huh, how do you know that the one who did the Battle of Gods score is behind the Boo arc of Kai?
I think it's one of those 'people know about it, but it hasn't been officially announced' sort of things.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Cold Skin » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:55 pm

sangofe wrote: Huh, how do you know that the one who did the Battle of Gods score is behind the Boo arc of Kai?
Well, just like Blade said, it's one of those things we know for sure and we're not supposed to, so I guess we should leave it at that. :)
Maybe they'll end up announcing it in one of their Jump promos in the upcoming weeks.

Speaking of which, when can we get an actual glimpse of it, other than a few shots we'd knew would be there?
I think I remember when Kai was about to air, the first pictures showing the new opening were displayed in an advertisement for it just two or three days before, right?
There was also a short promo trailer (narrated by Goku) something like a week before, in which we could first see what the cropping was like on some scenes.
And I think we didn't know about the opening/ending song until the episode itself aired.

I guess we can pretty much guess when we'll see the first glimpses of it all based on how it happened the first time.

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Post by sangofe » Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:12 pm

Cold Skin wrote:
sangofe wrote: Huh, how do you know that the one who did the Battle of Gods score is behind the Boo arc of Kai?
Well, just like Blade said, it's one of those things we know for sure and we're not supposed to, so I guess we should leave it at that. :)
Maybe they'll end up announcing it in one of their Jump promos in the upcoming weeks.

Speaking of which, when can we get an actual glimpse of it, other than a few shots we'd knew would be there?
I think I remember when Kai was about to air, the first pictures showing the new opening were displayed in an advertisement for it just two or three days before, right?
There was also a short promo trailer (narrated by Goku) something like a week before, in which we could first see what the cropping was like on some scenes.
And I think we didn't know about the opening/ending song until the episode itself aired.

I guess we can pretty much guess when we'll see the first glimpses of it all based on how it happened the first time.
Um, I've been following the news on a day-to-day basis this last year. Why don't i know this for sure, then? It makes sense they'd use the same guy, but really, I haven't seen any mention of it anywhere from anyone. And where's this Kai Boo trailer?

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