So a subject that has piqued my interest lately.
Did Dr. Gero specifically design #17 & #18 to be the catalysts of Cell's transformations?
I find it weird for that to be the case, because Dr. Gero abandoned the Cell project and let his computer do the rest. It seems more like a coincidence, that they ended up being able to complete Cell's transformation, rather than it being their intended purpose.
But what do the guidebooks say?
I think I remember one of them saying rather bluntly, they were always supposed to trigger Cell's transformations, but I'd like to see it confirmed.
I actually prefer to think of Cell being told by the computer, that he needed #17 & #18 to complete his transformation as a result of the alternate timelines not having big sources of power other than those two and the weaker duo of Trunks and Gohan, rather than them being the only possible way Cell could complete his transformation.
Cell did say, that with Piccolo's power, he would get a lot closer to his complete form, for what it's worth. Then later he returned in his complete form even without #17 & #18.
So as far as I'm concerned, it's simply a matter of power and if he was to absorb the life extract of Super Vegeta for example, it should trigger the transformation just like absorbing #18 did, even though the absorption method is different(I personally think he needed to absorb the androids that way, because their power source would be destroyed otherwise).
But what do you think?
#17, #18 & Cell, a mere coincidence?
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Re: #17, #18 & Cell, a mere coincidence?
#17 & #18 have been made especially for Cell
C17 wondered himself why Gero made them cyborgs from human base while he can make a cyborg like #16 from scratch
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It's because Cell needs to absorb them, he needs organic cyborgs to use their power and make him evolve.
C17 wondered himself why Gero made them cyborgs from human base while he can make a cyborg like #16 from scratch
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It's because Cell needs to absorb them, he needs organic cyborgs to use their power and make him evolve.
Re: #17, #18 & Cell, a mere coincidence?
Interesting thoughts...
It would certainly be a huge shock to me, if #17's bafflement at Dr. Gero going back to organic based androids was actually foreshadowing Cell's ability to absorb them.
It would certainly be a huge shock to me, if #17's bafflement at Dr. Gero going back to organic based androids was actually foreshadowing Cell's ability to absorb them.
Re: #17, #18 & Cell, a mere coincidence?
I think it doesn't link and it merely has more to do with why Gero was so opposed to releasing 16. I think only the anime makes it seem as if 16 was the one that killed Gero in the other timeline.
As a matter of fact, AT dropped the ball with 16. He clearly didn't exist in the future timeline and out of nowhere here he is. Unless it was a homage to Android 8 in Dragonball.
As a matter of fact, AT dropped the ball with 16. He clearly didn't exist in the future timeline and out of nowhere here he is. Unless it was a homage to Android 8 in Dragonball.
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Re: #17, #18 & Cell, a mere coincidence?
Dr. Gero's first objective was to kill Goku, so he abandoned Cell who was taking too long, and focused on #17 & #18 to have them kill Goku. However, he didn't cancel his project with Cell, he just put it on-hold for later.
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Re: #17, #18 & Cell, a mere coincidence?
Maybe in the future timelines, Gero had time to hide #16 since the Z Fighters wern't right outside his laboratory doors (unlike the main timeline) and so when he activated #17 and #18 that day, they didn't notice #16 because Gero had moved him.sekzee wrote:I think it doesn't link and it merely has more to do with why Gero was so opposed to releasing 16. I think only the anime makes it seem as if 16 was the one that killed Gero in the other timeline.
As a matter of fact, AT dropped the ball with 16. He clearly didn't exist in the future timeline and out of nowhere here he is. Unless it was a homage to Android 8 in Dragonball.
Re: #17, #18 & Cell, a mere coincidence?
Cell was always designed to absorb 17 and 18, but he was more of a backup plan. He could still try and kill Goku with 17 and 18, or 19 and 20.
Also regarding his absorbing... his absorbing of 17 and 18 was exponential growth, whereas his normal absorbing is additive. So just absorbing Super Vegeta's power would not likely give him the same power.
Plus he wouldn't have been able to even if he wanted. When he was in his 2nd form Vegeta was batting him around like a toy.
It also felt like one last stab from beyond the grave at the androids by Dr. Gero. Like he had Cell there to get his revenge just in case the androids betrayed him. (Although likely he would have sacrificed 17 and 18 to Cell even if they had followed orders.)
Also regarding his absorbing... his absorbing of 17 and 18 was exponential growth, whereas his normal absorbing is additive. So just absorbing Super Vegeta's power would not likely give him the same power.
Plus he wouldn't have been able to even if he wanted. When he was in his 2nd form Vegeta was batting him around like a toy.
It also felt like one last stab from beyond the grave at the androids by Dr. Gero. Like he had Cell there to get his revenge just in case the androids betrayed him. (Although likely he would have sacrificed 17 and 18 to Cell even if they had followed orders.)
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Re: #17, #18 & Cell, a mere coincidence?
It's cool to see what you're trying to get at OP. I sort of enjoy the idea more that #17 and #18 were just what Cell needed to reach his next transformations and weren't something that was always meant for him to absorb. But I think both the manga and anime make it clear that they were in fact created in specific for absorption! Or at least I remember that being a thing when reading/watching the series.
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