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by TheGmGoken » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:39 pm
Still, Super Saiyan is better.
Not really. Not strong enough. SSj2 is stronger and doesn't have mega strain
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]We don't know that for a fact. Super Saiyan 2, Super Saiyan 3, and Ultimate are shown to make the Saiyans more evil than they are, and since everyone has mastered Super Saiyan at that point, having them both using their purest forms & giving as much energy as possible makes more sense.
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Um.. Mystic Gohan being digital Mystic not animated like one is proof enough. They could't re-animated the whole scene cause most likely was lazy. So they kept Gohan as a SSJ. I don't see how Goku was more evil as a SSJ2 or SSj3. Or person to become "evil" was Gohan because of rage.
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by ABED » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:53 pm
Also, mastering Super Saiyan eliminates the strain on the body, and the malicious heart.
You're inferring that Super Saiyan causes those things. Super Saiyan and SS2 didn't make Gohan more angry, anger was how he tapped into both. You have your causality backwards.
Goku isn't more evil or malicious when he's Super Saiyan 3, it just consumes more energy.
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by Kid Buu » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:45 am
I think 19 and 20 were the best villains in that arc.
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by thatdbzguy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:06 am
Kid Buu wrote:I think 19 and 20 were the best villains in that arc.
Which doesn't say much at all, unfortunately.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:29 pm
ABED wrote:You're inferring that Super Saiyan causes those things. Super Saiyan and SS2 didn't make Gohan more angry, anger was how he tapped into both. You have your causality backwards.
But Gohan never stayed angry for long before. Before that, he would get angry, and then return to normal after a few seconds. But when he turned Super Saiyan 2, his anger & its power didn't go away after a few seconds, he remained like that for the rest of the fight.
Goku isn't more evil or malicious when he's Super Saiyan 3, it just consumes more energy.
You mean that it's normal for the pure hearted Goku to have this evil look in his eyes? Or talk the way he does in the anime?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by ABED » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:11 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:ABED wrote:You're inferring that Super Saiyan causes those things. Super Saiyan and SS2 didn't make Gohan more angry, anger was how he tapped into both. You have your causality backwards.
But Gohan never stayed angry for long before. Before that, he would get angry, and then return to normal after a few seconds. But when he turned Super Saiyan 2, his anger & its power didn't go away after a few seconds, he remained like that for the rest of the fight.
Goku isn't more evil or malicious when he's Super Saiyan 3, it just consumes more energy.
You mean that it's normal for the pure hearted Goku to have this evil look in his eyes? Or talk the way he does in the anime?
You are making leaps in logic. Of course Gohan isn't going to revert back, he's not experiencing a temporary increase in power, he transformed.
You're basing your assertion about Goku on the way he looks? What about his actions?
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:24 pm
ABED wrote:You are making leaps in logic. Of course Gohan isn't going to revert back, he's not experiencing a temporary increase in power, he transformed.
He also got an extra boost in power, he didn't just transform.
You're basing your assertion about Goku on the way he looks? What about his actions?
I'm not saying that it makes him evil, it does make him more impure. Super Saiyan is stated to do this, the manga showed this through Goku's eyes being fully outlined & always angry, yet Goku didn't turn evil.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by ABED » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:13 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:ABED wrote:You are making leaps in logic. Of course Gohan isn't going to revert back, he's not experiencing a temporary increase in power, he transformed.
He also got an extra boost in power, he didn't just transform.
You're basing your assertion about Goku on the way he looks? What about his actions?
I'm not saying that it makes him evil, it does make him more impure. Super Saiyan is stated to do this, the manga showed this through Goku's eyes being fully outlined & always angry, yet Goku didn't turn evil.
The boost IS the transformation. It's not just his hair and eye color, it boosts his power.
Define more impure. WHere did it state that it did this? You inferred what the drawing meant.
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by Kid Buu » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:59 pm
After rewatching the Pilaf arc, I've decided Yamcha's real best accomplishment is preventing Bulma from getting raped by Oolong.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:02 pm
Kid Buu wrote:After rewatching the Pilaf arc, I've decided Yamcha's real best accomplishment is preventing Bulma from getting raped by Oolong.
Oolong raping Bulma was in the anime? Thought it was manga only.
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by Kid Buu » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:04 pm
Episode 6. Oolong knocks out Goku and Bulma with pills and is going to rape Bulma but Yamcha gets in the way.
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by RandomGuy96 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:12 pm
Babidi is a better villain than Perfect Cell.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Kid Buu » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:13 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:Babidi is a better villain than Perfect Cell.
Agree. I also like Dabura too even though he's somewhat generic; his design is just awesome.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:17 pm
Kid Buu wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:Babidi is a better villain than Perfect Cell.
Agree. I also like Dabura too even though he's somewhat generic; his design is just awesome.
I honestly can see Dabura as a Main Villain. However I can see people being ignorant and say he's a King Piccolo rip off because of his title.
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by DarkPrince_92 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:27 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:I honestly can see Dabura as a Main Villain. However I can see people being ignorant and say he's a King Piccolo rip off because of his title.
Yeah. He has pretty unique powers on his own, it'd be interesting what kind of other dark powers he had. I thought the spit thing was cool as hell the first time seeing it. Him and King Cold needed more screen time.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:33 pm
DarkPrince_92 wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:I honestly can see Dabura as a Main Villain. However I can see people being ignorant and say he's a King Piccolo rip off because of his title.
Yeah. He has pretty unique powers on his own, it'd be interesting what kind of other dark powers he had. I thought the spit thing was cool as hell the first time seeing it. Him and King Cold needed more screen time.
King Cold should had been Cooler honestly. Especially because of King Cold's English Kai voice. Though I do like Cell Arc(Just not compare to other arcs). Imagine if it was King Cold's arc or Freeza's family arc. But then again that would be a bit much to some people. However I'll take Dabura over Boo anyday. Sorry RandomGuy xD.
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by RandomGuy96 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:35 pm
I'm good, thanks.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:39 pm
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I'm good, thanks.
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by ABED » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:48 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:Babidi is a better villain than Perfect Cell.
How do you figure?
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by RandomGuy96 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:49 pm
ABED wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:Babidi is a better villain than Perfect Cell.
How do you figure?
1. He's just more fun to watch
2. He's actually original, while Cell is a blatant Freeza rip-off
3. His idiocy is played for laughs.
4. Gorier death
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
