Didn't that hole get healed by a senzu?RandomGuy96 wrote:Cell shoots a hole through Piccolo.
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Or Piccolo Daimao was so weakened he did not have the energy to regenerate.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And if Namekians can really regenerate holes, then we have a plot hole as big as the hole in Piccolo Daimao's body.
But...if I recall correctly, Daimao exploded shortly after, no?
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Yet he could give birth to his reincarnation, which uses up a lot of energy, enough for his life-spawn to get shorter when he was old? Yeah, not buying it.sekzee wrote:Or Piccolo Daimao was so weakened he did not have the energy to regenerate.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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That's what it does while he's old, but it's never mentioned to be much of a factor while he's young.
Honestly though, I don't see what's wrong with that line of thought. He's in the middle of a life and death battle with an extremely powerful kid who just managed to penetrate his entire chest cavity. Even if he had enough energy left to regenerate the hole after that, who is to say that Goku, or Tenshinhan more likely, wouldn't still manage to finish him off completely in that weakened state? The safer option was to use the stamina he had left to spawn the reincarnation.
Honestly though, I don't see what's wrong with that line of thought. He's in the middle of a life and death battle with an extremely powerful kid who just managed to penetrate his entire chest cavity. Even if he had enough energy left to regenerate the hole after that, who is to say that Goku, or Tenshinhan more likely, wouldn't still manage to finish him off completely in that weakened state? The safer option was to use the stamina he had left to spawn the reincarnation.
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Tenshinhan was far too weak & beaten up, and Goku had used all his energy and was unable to use all his limbs but one hand, and he couldn't avoid any hit in the air. Choosing to die isn't the smartest thing to do.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Yes, they were both weak and beaten up, but Daimao could have still ended up weaker after taking that much damage and then using up even more stamina to regenerate. For all we know, he could have ended up weaker than the farmer and his shotgun after that.
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Anyone have an explanation for why Cell never used the Kaio-Ken? It sure could have come in handy for him.
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The computer failed to register it as one of Goku's techniques and so Cell was never told, that he could probably use Kaio-ken.kuartus4 wrote:Anyone have an explanation for why Cell never used the Kaio-Ken? It sure could have come in handy for him.
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Cell already uses his own version of SSJ. So, he doesn't use Kaioken for the same reason Goku doesn't. Its probably incompatible.kuartus4 wrote:Anyone have an explanation for why Cell never used the Kaio-Ken? It sure could have come in handy for him.
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He would still have chances to survive. But he chose death instead...?TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Yes, they were both weak and beaten up, but Daimao could have still ended up weaker after taking that much damage and then using up even more stamina to regenerate. For all we know, he could have ended up weaker than the farmer and his shotgun after that.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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He wouldn't have survived; he just would have been killed soon after regenerating, because he was completely out of power. He might have just died by himself. Much better to reincarnate himself and come back stronger.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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But by whom? Tenshinhan & Goku would have been in far worse conditions than him had he regenerated, and there was no one else to oppose him from what he knew.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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How do you know that...? For all we know he may have just died of exhaustion, or blood loss, or some earlier internal injuries if he regenerated the hole.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But by whom? Tenshinhan & Goku would have been in far worse conditions than him had he regenerated, .
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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The last 2 can be regenerated according to your theory. As for exhaustion? I don't buy it, he wasn't in an extremely bad shape before the hole.RandomGuy96 wrote:How do you know that...? For all we know he may have just died of exhaustion, or blood loss, or some earlier internal injuries if he regenerated the hole.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Goku was in worse shape and look at what he did.
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Plot hole: Trunks says that Goku dies soon after his return from Yardrat in his timeline. Yet 3 years after the death of Future Gohan, Bulma remarks that Goku died of a heart disease 17 years ago. Trunks goes back in time 4 years after the death of Gohan, or 18 years after the death of Goku. Which means that Goku would have died 2 years after his arrival from Yardrat since Goku arrived 20 years before the date that Trunks first travelled back in time.
Possible reconciliation: Maybe Trunks considers 2 years to be soon after?
Possible reconciliation: Maybe Trunks considers 2 years to be soon after?
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He was out of energy after what he did though.sekzee wrote:Goku was in worse shape and look at what he did.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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His android body would have probably been able to sustain the Kaio-ken better than Goku could have. Also, despite being filler, there's also the Super Kaioken Goku used in the Otherworld Tournament, even if only for a very short time.rereboy wrote:Cell already uses his own version of SSJ. So, he doesn't use Kaioken for the same reason Goku doesn't. Its probably incompatible.kuartus4 wrote:Anyone have an explanation for why Cell never used the Kaio-Ken? It sure could have come in handy for him.
Zephyr wrote:Toriyama's not breaking into everyone's homes and editing your copy of the manga with a pen to include Goku's mom and this "blasphemous" information about her.
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Besides anything about Cell's body being a complete assumption, Kaioken being incompatible with SSJ could just mean that it just can multiply the base form power, not the SSJ power. Therefore, it would be useless. As for the Otherworld tournament, as you said, filler.Patrick wrote:
His android body would have probably been able to sustain the Kaio-ken better than Goku could have. Also, despite being filler, there's also the Super Kaioken Goku used in the Otherworld Tournament, even if only for a very short time.
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That's the thing, Super Kaio-ken can't last for more than a few seconds. Goku only had time for a surprise punch and... that's it. It was proved to be useless.Patrick wrote:Also, despite being filler, there's also the Super Kaioken Goku used in the Otherworld Tournament, even if only for a very short time.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.