Instances of filler you liked/disliked

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Humans on Kaio's planet being able to defeat the Ginyu Force. God awful.

Garlic Jr. Blegh.

King Kai told Goku that he'd give them harder training than he taught him. It's actually no surprise that the humans probably easily went into the tens of thousands in powerlevel. Also it sounded like to me that they handled the gravity much better than Goku, since they were already into the thousands upon arrival, compared to Goku's 300 and something when he started King Kai's training. Also doesn't Nail say Piccolo's power seem greater than his own when he arrives on Namek? If Piccolo was well above Nail's 42,000 prior to fusion, then where does that put the humans? The whole group did similar training, thus they can't be that much weaker than Piccolo. Maybe lower 30,000's at weakest?

[Saiga]

I like:

*The Great Saiyaman 'arc' filler (my favourite filler)
*Gohan's training with Goku
*The worm gag in Boo's body
*Some of the fight filler (mainly the Boo arc, where the battles are pretty short)

Dislike:

*Everything else.

[The Monkey King]

I like:
The flashback showing how Vegeta achieved super saiyan, I don't like how in the manga he just went boom and transformed infront of the androids.
The extended fights in the Buu saga between Goku and Vegeta, Vegito and Buuhan and Goku vs Kid Buu. In the manga these fights were too short/didn't seem epic enough, the anime helped fix this.
Goku and Uub's extended fight.
All the extra scenes in History of Trunks, made the special really deep and sad and Trunks turning SSJ after Gohan's death made a better impact.
The other world tournament.

I dislike:
The long stand offs in fights, like come on just fight already!
Chi-Chi and Bulma acting like bitches.
Scenes that ruined power rankings, like SSJ Vegeta and Goku not being splattered by a single punch from Buuhan.

[Kamiccolo9]

I like:

The extended fights in the Buu saga between Goku and Vegeta, Vegito and Buuhan and Goku vs Kid Buu. In the manga these fights were too short/didn't seem epic enough, the anime helped fix this.

What about the fight between Buutenks and Gohan? I thought that one was much better in the anime.

[The Monkey King]

I like:

The extended fights in the Buu saga between Goku and Vegeta, Vegito and Buuhan and Goku vs Kid Buu. In the manga these fights were too short/didn't seem epic enough, the anime helped fix this.

What about the fight between Buutenks and Gohan? I thought that one was much better in the anime.

I liked that Gohan could hold his own against Buutenks and I found Buutenks' psychological attacks on Gohan pretty devious.
I agree with you, it made Gohan look like a competent fighter while Buutenks looked like a coniving and mentally intimidating villain, until Vegito turned him into a joke.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

I like:

The extended fights in the Buu saga between Goku and Vegeta, Vegito and Buuhan and Goku vs Kid Buu. In the manga these fights were too short/didn't seem epic enough, the anime helped fix this.

What about the fight between Buutenks and Gohan? I thought that one was much better in the anime.

I liked that Gohan could hold his own against Buutenks and I found Buutenks' psychological attacks on Gohan pretty devious.
I agree with you, it made Gohan look like a competent fighter while Buutenks looked like a coniving and mentally intimidating villain, until Vegito turned him into a joke.

I just love the part when Vegito was turned into a CHOCOLATE and was still beating him!!!

[RandomGuy96]

See I don't mind that, mainly because the series was never consistent with power level gains in the first place. Plus, its always been a motif that getting stronger makes you better than the previously beaten villain.

Nappa/Vegeta - All the humans have now easily surpassed Raditz
Android 19/20 - The main fighters (Goku/Vegeta/Piccolo) have easily surpassed Freeza
Babidi/Dabura - The main fighters (Goku/Vegeta) have easily surpassed Cell.

That's aren't very good examples. For Goku/Vegeta to be surpassing the previous villains doesn't even require a big gain on their part, it's mostly the transformations that make up the difference. The humans surpassing Raditz was a smaller gap and over a much more reasonable length of time. Piccolo's a bit questionable (we don't really know how strong he got) but again, much longer period of time. All those examples are of them after completing their training, while the Ginyu Force filler is when they're just six days into it. I could certainly accept them surpassing Ginyu's men after their training with Kaio is finished, but not when they've only had six days there. As inconsistent as the strength gains have been they've never been as inconsistent as the humans surpassing the Ginyu Force in six days would have been.

It's not like this is unheard of. Piccolo was implied to get over a dozen times stronger in the same time period as the humans here, base Gohan got stronger than base Goku by swinging a sword around for a day, and in V-Jump it is stated that the humans got "much stronger" after a few days training with Kaio.

[Saiga]

It's not like this is unheard of. Piccolo was implied to get over a dozen times stronger in the same time period as the humans here, base Gohan got stronger than base Goku by swinging a sword around for a day, and in V-Jump it is stated that the humans got "much stronger" after a few days training with Kaio.

How strong Piccolo got is left completely up in the air, same for Gohan in the Boo arc. Nothing says he got stronger than Goku.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

base Gohan got stronger than base Goku by swinging a sword around for a day

Yeah, we are not really sure about that. Kaioshin is exaggerating as always, since Goku doubts the claimed power up, and Gohan only says that his arms got stronger, not that he got stronger in overall.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

It's not like this is unheard of. Piccolo was implied to get over a dozen times stronger in the same time period as the humans here, base Gohan got stronger than base Goku by swinging a sword around for a day, and in V-Jump it is stated that the humans got "much stronger" after a few days training with Kaio.

How strong Piccolo got is left completely up in the air, same for Gohan in the Boo arc. Nothing says he got stronger than Goku.

Goku could barely hold the same sword Gohan was swinging.

[RandomGuy96]

It's not like this is unheard of. Piccolo was implied to get over a dozen times stronger in the same time period as the humans here, base Gohan got stronger than base Goku by swinging a sword around for a day, and in V-Jump it is stated that the humans got "much stronger" after a few days training with Kaio.

How strong Piccolo got is left completely up in the air, same for Gohan in the Boo arc. Nothing says he got stronger than Goku.

It actually heavily implies he's at least in the tens of thousands. Otherwise Nail wouldn't have been impressed and he never would've been confident about helping against Freeza when he's weaker than Krillin of all people. Him getting way stronger than he should is supported in V-Jump as well.

Gohan is shown to be stronger than Goku going by how they both handle the sword. Goku can barley lift it, Gohan can swing it around with ease.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Trunks couldn't take the 150g in the gravity room, while Vegeta before turning Super Saiyan could take the 300g. There is also Yamcha, who said that he couldn't get used to the 10g in Kaio's Planet, yet he was stronger than the Goku that got used to it.

[Saiga]

It's actually be heavily implies he's at least in the tens of thousands. Otherwise Nail wouldn't have been impressed and he never would've been confident about helping against Freeza when he's weaker than Krillin of all people. Him getting way stronger than he should is supported in V-Jump as well.

Gohan is shown to be stronger than Goku going by how they both handle the sword. Goku can barley lift it, Gohan can swing it around with ease.

We don't have any idea what would impress Nail. And he was an idiot for being confident, as Nail tells him he's simply no match for Freeza. His relation to Kuririn doesn't matter when he's nothing to Freeza anyway. Given that the V-Jump that says this is using anime pictures, it's no real surprise they're supporting the anime.

Not necessarily. Gohan could easily be about as strong as he was before and just more accustomed to handling the Z sword than Goku is who only just picks it up for the first time.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Trunks couldn't take the 150g in the gravity room, while Vegeta before turning Super Saiyan could take the 300g. There is also Yamcha, who said that he couldn't get used to the 10g in Kaio's Planet, yet he was stronger than the Goku that got used to it.

We're talking about Kid Trunks I bet older Trunks could handle 300g. I mean, Goku at 90,000 power level did 100g on the way to Namek.

And about Yamcha, that was likely their first day or two on King Kai's planet. Later on it looked they got fairly used to it. Not to mention King Kai giving them harder training than he gave to Goku which would explain the power boosts they received.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

We're talking about Kid Trunks

Exactly. Trunks was far stronger than that Vegeta, stronger than even Vegeta after the 1st day in RoSaT.

And about Yamcha, that was likely their first day or two on King Kai's planet. Later on it looked they got fairly used to it.

That's my point. Like in that case, Gohan can still be weaker, but he is just more used to the sword.

[RandomGuy96]

It's actually be heavily implies he's at least in the tens of thousands. Otherwise Nail wouldn't have been impressed and he never would've been confident about helping against Freeza when he's weaker than Krillin of all people. Him getting way stronger than he should is supported in V-Jump as well.

Gohan is shown to be stronger than Goku going by how they both handle the sword. Goku can barley lift it, Gohan can swing it around with ease.

We don't have any idea what would impress Nail. And he was an idiot for being confident, as Nail tells him he's simply no match for Freeza. His relation to Kuririn doesn't matter when he's nothing to Freeza anyway. Given that the V-Jump that says this is using anime pictures, it's no real surprise they're supporting the anime.

Not necessarily. Gohan could easily be about as strong as he was before and just more accustomed to handling the Z sword than Goku is who only just picks it up for the first time.

Nail wasn't impressed by Vegeta or any of Freeza's henchmen yet considered Piccolo's strength tremendous. And he outright said the Kaio training he did was abnormal to have made him so much stronger. He even said that such a power was unbelievable. Piccolo also states that his own power has VASTLY increased, and thinks he'll be able to take Freeza despite all the big jumps in power from Nappa to Freeza he has witnessed. So any way you cut it his gains in that week were ridiculous.

So...? Does that mean the power levels for Vegeta and co on that page also can't be taken seriously?

That really wouldn't make up for the massive power difference between pre-sword Gohan and Goku.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That really wouldn't make up for the massive power difference between pre-sword Gohan and Goku.

They could use Fusion, so it shouldn't be "massive".

[RandomGuy96]

That really wouldn't make up for the massive power difference between pre-sword Gohan and Goku.

They could use Fusion, so it shouldn't be "massive".

What suggests they could? And even if they could, we don't know the exact requirements, and how small the gap has to be. We do know, however, that the gap between Vegeta and Goku was the same as it was at the Cell Games, and that Vegeta considered Gohan's power pathetic.

Also, Nailccolo is just stated to be many times greater than Piccolo. Not tens of times or anything like that. You could say that Nail was lying or reverse exaggerating, and it actually many tens of times, but why would he do that? He's trying to sell Piccolo on the idea of fusion, why make it sound far weaker than it actually is? Piccolo should at least be 50,000+, for Nail not to say "tens of times" and to be impressed with that power after everything he's sensed, and how strong he himself he is.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What suggests they could?

Goku said that he could use Fusion with Gohan or Vegeta if they were alive when he was trying to think a way to kill Boo.

And even if they could, we don't know the exact requirements, and how small the gap has to be.

We know that they must have similar powers, and a massive gap doesn't sound like "similar".

the gap between Vegeta and Goku was the same as it was at the Cell Games

That doesn't mean that Goku was exactly as many times stronger than Vegeta as he was back then, it just means that Vegeta is still weaker than Goku.

Vegeta considered Gohan's power pathetic.

Of course it would be pathetic in Vegeta's eyes, Gohan should be far stronger than he was 7 years ago, but he actually is weaker than back then.

[rereboy]

Vegeta considers everything pathetic.