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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Freeza Soldier #156 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:31 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I'm sure this has been answered already, but do we know who's composing Kai Buu yet?
Kei17 wrote:http://www.fujitv.co.jp/tokuhen/14spring/new.html

Videl and Babidi are recast. Shino Kakinuma for Videl, and Bin Shimada for Babidi. WHAT THE FUCK. This really, really sucks.

And it says that the music composer is Sumitomo, of course.

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Post by B » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:28 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I'm sure this has been answered already, but do we know who's composing Kai Buu yet?
Sumitomo, BoG composer.

I can't remember where it was said(her own personal blog?) but as mentioned earlier, there was talk of Minaguchi studying overseas. Who knows why it's happening.
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Post by ShinGaijin » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:53 pm

kei17 wrote:A complete rescoring? Do you mean rescoring the entire series including the pre-Buu arcs? That'd be a real mess once again and there's definitely no point in doing that from a commercial perspective, but honestly, part of me as a DB music nerd definitely wants to see that happening.
Yes, this is what I mean.I admit that would be somewhat messy, I agree...but I guess fanboys always want more. :D
As a matter a fact, many scenes are devoid of any emotion (and it's even worse with the replacement score), and Norihito Sumitomo seems quite able to solve this problem. 8)
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Post by penguintruth » Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:59 pm

Well, it is good that Shimada is getting a better role than Broly now, but at Yanami's expense?

I guess I was always pretty neutral to Yanami's Babidi, but he's still around, and has already worked on Kai, so I don't see the reasoning behind this.

Videl being recast is bullshit, man.

I hope the musical score doesn't have all that heavy ominous vocal chanting. It's nice in small doses, but this is DBZ, not Rebuild of Evangelion.
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Post by TheRed259 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:01 pm

Let us hope that he will write some nice music for Vegeta's Final Atonement & Goku's SSJ3 Transformation scene.

By the way, last year I made some videos too about how the Buu arc would be if Norihito Sumitomo or Hiroshi Takaki composed the music. The whole work is almost 15 minutes, but I cut some scenes for not having my video blocked worldwide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNW1NMQkMbg

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Post by MagicBox » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:15 pm

I didn't realize Bin Shimada was Joji Yanami's replacement. I guess I didn't read Kei's post very well. I can see him pulling that off. He's got a very good range. We'll just have to see.

As for a complete re-scoring of the entire series, I'd enjoy it, but the thought of buying Kai a third time... :x

EDIT: On the bright side, that same site confirms that Kōzō Shioya is returning as Majin Buu and Yuji Mitsuya is returning as Kaiōshin... which we kind of already knew, but still!
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Post by theoriginalbilis » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:37 pm

kei17 wrote:http://www.fujitv.co.jp/tokuhen/14spring/new.html

Videl and Babidi are recast. Shino Kakinuma for Videl, and Bin Shimada for Babidi. WHAT THE FUCK. This really, really sucks.

And it says that the music composer is Sumitomo, of course.
Say.... WHAAAAT?? I guess Ms. Minaguchi was serious about her not playing Videl if Daisuke Gouri wasn't around. That's a real shame... seeing as she brings such a distinctive voice and personality to Videl.

I don't know if this new actress is super-popular or not, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this recast may be another attempt at "stunt-casting" ala Aya Hirano re-voicing Dende (which she did a perfectly fine job with IMO.)

I actually like Bin Shimida's work, especially in DBZ and One Piece, so I'm sure he'll do a fine job.
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:41 pm

MagicBox wrote:EDIT: On the bright side, that same site confirms that Kōzō Shioya is returning as Majin Buu and Yuji Mitsuya is returning as Kaiōshin... which we kind of already knew, but still!
I guess that means Mitsuya may have taken a pay cut after all.
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Out of curiosity, does anybody happen to know what Japanese seiyuus are typically paid? I only have two very slight clues.

1. An article written in an (English) online publication about voice-over news, VOXtra, by an American VO talent living in Japan, talking about what it's like to work as a non-native VO talent in Japan. Apparently there actually is a market for non-Japanese voices in Japan.
2. I gather that Japan does have an actor's union, simply called the Japan Actors' Union (JAU) but I don't know enough Japanese to work my way around their website. Or if animation is something covered by the JAU, or whether or not Kai is even a union production.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by penguintruth » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:57 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote: I don't know if this new actress is super-popular or not, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this recast may be another attempt at "stunt-casting" ala Aya Hirano re-voicing Dende (which she did a perfectly fine job with IMO.)
It's not stunt casting when the new VA is somebody who was one sort of noteworthy part a million years ago (Usagi's childhood friend in SM) and has no following at all.

Stunt casting would be like casting Rie Kugimiya as Videl.

The new Videl was probably just hanging out at Toei one afternoon, making copies, or fixing the vending machines, or sorting the paper clips, and they pushed her into a recording booth. You know, the Funimation method.
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Post by ShinGaijin » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:58 pm

TheRed259 wrote:Let us hope that he will write some nice music for Vegeta's Final Atonement & Goku's SSJ3 Transformation scene.

By the way, last year I made some videos too about how the Buu arc would be if Norihito Sumitomo or Hiroshi Takaki composed the music. The whole work is almost 15 minutes, but I cut some scenes for not having my video blocked worldwide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNW1NMQkMbg
Awesome !! :thumbup: I hope the official version will be as good!

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Post by UltimateHammerBro » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:01 pm

Does anyone know if the first 98 episodes are going to be re-scored or will the Kikuchi placement be left?
It would be weird having three different soundtracks for those episodes, but leaving the badly-placed Kikuchi score there is just lame.
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Post by coola » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:23 pm

I doubt it I'm afraid, Kai isn`t putting enough money for Toei, for tchem to put new score for old 98 episodess.
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Post by ShinGaijin » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:29 pm

UltimateHammerBro wrote:Does anyone know if the first 98 episodes are going to be re-scored or will the Kikuchi placement be left?
Nothing has been said about that currently. :(
BUT, if it's the case, FUNimation will no longer have the monopoly of "Triple audio" releases. :lol:

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Post by UltimateHammerBro » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:32 pm

ShinGaijin wrote:
UltimateHammerBro wrote:Does anyone know if the first 98 episodes are going to be re-scored or will the Kikuchi placement be left?
Nothing has been said about that currently. :(
BUT, if it's the case, FUNimation will no longer have the monopoly of "Triple audio" releases. :lol:
RIght now, I can't stop thinking about how many tracks there would be:
1-Yamamoto
2-Kikuchi
3-Whoever does it if it actually happens
4-A possible Ocean dub soundtrack
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Post by MagicBox » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:39 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote:I guess Ms. Minaguchi was serious about her not playing Videl if Daisuke Gouri wasn't around. That's a real shame...
Unless we hear otherwise, I don't think that's the reason. She's still in America studying, right? I'd imagine she's focusing on that. She was probably able to get her "Battle Of Gods" recording done in, like, a week. That's not very time-consuming. Fly home, visit family, record some Dragon Ball, head back. No big deal. But a 50-ish episode weekly series? I don't think she has the time for that right now. I certainly wouldn't question her commitment to the franchise or her role.

Does she have a Twitter? One of us could ask her.

Hey, maybe there's still a chance she can record for Pan in the epilogue!
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Post by FortuneSSJ » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:01 pm

I barely liked any Kai sountrack so I'm curious to hear Sumitomo work.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:26 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:I barely liked any Kai sountrack so I'm curious to hear Sumitomo work.
It was fine, but the placement was horrible. Kikuchi's tracks are really good, but when its the same 5-6 pieces over...and over..and over again..yeah the score suddenly dont seem so good.
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Post by Big Momma » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:28 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:I barely liked any Kai sountrack so I'm curious to hear Sumitomo work.
He scored Battle of Gods and Kei has edited some DBZ clips with his work thrown in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEX-WiC_1c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKrOSwH_Zt0

I'm on my phone so I can't find it now, but there's also a clip of the SSJ3 transformation using a BoG track, and it works really well.
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Post by ShinGaijin » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:42 pm

I wonder if they'll mix, as it was the case in DB/DBZ, the "Battle of Gods" soundtrack, associated with newly composed pieces.
Also, it seems that episode 98 will never be aired on free-access TV in Japan.Dammit, I'll never get this one in widescreen/HD... : PREPARES HIMSELF FOR OBLIVIOOOOON: :lol:

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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:30 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote: Say.... WHAAAAT?? I guess Ms. Minaguchi was serious about her not playing Videl if Daisuke Gouri wasn't around. That's a real shame... seeing as she brings such a distinctive voice and personality to Videl.

I don't know if this new actress is super-popular or not, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this recast may be another attempt at "stunt-casting" ala Aya Hirano re-voicing Dende (which she did a perfectly fine job with IMO.)
This has already been mentioned in thread, but you're misinformed. Minaguchi has been living in America for over a year now. She did play Videl in Battle of Gods, but it's not like she can fly back to Japan so often as to voice Videl in so many episodes.

Kakinuma Shino is not another Hirano Aya. Kakinuma is a veteran voice actor and the wife of Furukawa Toshio. At forty-eight years old Kakinuma isn't a 'stunt-casting'. If anything Audio Director Nagasaki Yukio has brought on an bona fide actress.
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