How strong was Super Android 13?

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How strong was Super Android 13?

Post by Origibros » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:04 am

Where do you guys think his power is at? Personally I have him below 16 but above Super Namek Piccolo pre-RoSaT.
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Re: How strong was Super Android 13?

Post by TenshiGokuu » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:43 am

His power level was like 1 million, probably close to frieza, maybe stronger than him a bit.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:46 am

According to Daizenshuu 7, weaker than 16, but obviously quite a bit above every other android and Kamiccolo.
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Re: How strong was Super Android 13?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:07 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:According to Daizenshuu 7, weaker than 16, but obviously quite a bit above every other android and Kamiccolo.
.....What?


In all seriousness, I'd go with this as well. If I remember correctly, Piccolo was able to budge Super 13 somewhat with his attacks, which would probably put him below Imperfect Cell, and by extension, 16, since Cell tanked Piccolo's strongest attack, and 16 was equal in strength to him.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:08 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:According to Daizenshuu 7, weaker than 16, but obviously quite a bit above every other android and Kamiccolo.
.....What?


In all seriousness, I'd go with this as well. If I remember correctly, Piccolo was able to budge Super 13 somewhat with his attacks, which would probably put him below Imperfect Cell, and by extension, 16, since Cell tanked Piccolo's strongest attack, and 16 was equal in strength to him.
Daizenshuu 7 says 16 is the strongest of the androids.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: How strong was Super Android 13?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:12 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:According to Daizenshuu 7, weaker than 16, but obviously quite a bit above every other android and Kamiccolo.
.....What?


In all seriousness, I'd go with this as well. If I remember correctly, Piccolo was able to budge Super 13 somewhat with his attacks, which would probably put him below Imperfect Cell, and by extension, 16, since Cell tanked Piccolo's strongest attack, and 16 was equal in strength to him.
Daizenshuu 7 says 16 is the strongest of the androids.
Yeah, I got that. I was referring to my username, and you saying he was stronger.
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Re: How strong was Super Android 13?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:22 am

Oh, alright.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: How strong was Super Android 13?

Post by Hugo Boss » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:44 am

Does that Daizenshuu 7's information about No.16 include movie androids as well?
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Re: How strong was Super Android 13?

Post by sekzee » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:53 am

The Dai doesn't really make a distinction in most cases, no?

While it acknowledges that the movies take place in an alternate universe, it makes its power comparisons to the main story (if any/when applicable).
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Post by Kaboom » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:27 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:Does that Daizenshuu 7's information about No.16 include movie androids as well?
The character dictionary in Daizenshuu 7 is all-inclusive, and 13, 14, and 15 are listed in it as well, so yes, it seems so.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:45 pm

Cell > 16 > Super 13.
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Post by AGentlemanSaiyan » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:18 am

Super android 13's Nut punch > SSJGoku
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Re: How strong was Super Android 13?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:01 am

If you compare him to other movie villains then it should be this IMO:

Semi Perfect Cell>Super 13>Post Repairs Metal Coola>#16
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:10 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:If you compare him to other movie villains then it should be this IMO:

Semi Perfect Cell>Super 13>Post Repairs Metal Coola>#16
Daizenshuu 7 says that 16 is the strongest android, and the movie villains are included in that guide. 16 should be stronger than Super 13.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:05 pm

Metal Coola post-repairs one shoot Piccolo, who was fused with Kami in the movie which would put him around Imperfect Cell (Post-human absorption)/#16 level. Super #13 is likely much stronger then Metal Coola given that he give SSj Goku and SSj Vegeta a much harder time then Post-Repairs Metal Coola did.
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Re: How strong was Super Android 13?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:11 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Metal Coola post-repairs one shoot Piccolo, who was fused with Kami in the movie which would put him around Imperfect Cell (Post-human absorption)/#16 level. Super #13 is likely much stronger then Metal Coola given that he give SSj Goku and SSj Vegeta a much harder time then Post-Repairs Metal Coola did.
You're assuming that the movie powers have to match up to what they are in the anime and the manga. They don't. Daizenshuu 7 flat-out says that 16 is the strongest android, so that puts him above Super 13.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:52 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Metal Coola post-repairs one shoot Piccolo
No, Piccolo & Metal Coola actually had a long off-screen fight (assuming that Piccolo was fighting with the same Metal Coola all that time), which was interrupted when Goku & Vegeta overloaded the Big Gete Star with Super Saiyan ki.
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Re: How strong was Super Android 13?

Post by Gogeta8001 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:29 pm

I guess you can fit him in the large gap between Piccolo/17 and Cell/16

#16 ~ Cell > Super #13 >>> Piccolo ~ #17 > #18
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Re: How strong was Super Android 13?

Post by flashback0180 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:23 am

:D I'll make my own formula
SSJ (bloodlusted) > SA13 > SSJ1 > android 13>freeza
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