The Twelve Universes

[jollyr]

So in Battle Of Gods it was revealed that there are twelve universes in the Dragon Ballverse. So I was thinking and my question is are the alternate timelines created by Trunks some of those universes or alternate timelines of just one universe or something else all together? Introducing the other universes really opens up the whole franchise like times 12 and there's a lot of possibilities with them, I hope one day they go more into them

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The Chozenshu imply that all of the alternate timelines featuring the world we know Goku or his friends are from is contained in just the Seventh Universe. We have no idea what is in the other eleven.

[Low Tone G]

I think the other 11 universes are totally different from the 7th universe history and inhabitants. If every universe has its own God of Destruction, and Birus did not mention that these are alternate versions of himself, just told they are 12 Gods including him, I think these universes might not contain any of our heroes. But it would be interesting and a good material to show us them someday.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Birus [...] just told they are 12 Gods including him

He never said that, he only said that there are 11 other universes, that he is the Hakaishin of the 7th Universe, and that there may be even stronger guys in these other universes.

[Kid Trunks]

Just randomly saying there are 12 universes kind of feels like a cheap way to make more movies. I'm tired of the sort of "rewriting of history" all the time. Someone is the strongest in the universe, until suddenly the North Kai remembers that someone else is the strongest.

[RocktheDragon]

Just randomly saying there are 12 universes kind of feels like a cheap way to make more movies. I'm tired of the sort of "rewriting of history" all the time. Someone is the strongest in the universe, until suddenly the North Kai remembers that someone else is the strongest.

Welcome to the world of Dragon Ball.

But seriously, hasn't the whole series been set up to be like this? Stronger people always kept appearing and the universe kept expanding even in the manga days. It strikes me as odd that you would suddenly find universe expansion as cheap. Perhaps because it was in the form of a movie? But even then...

[Kid Trunks]

I know it's part of Dragonball, but like I said, it's something I'm tired of. The 12 universes remark just felt like the writer was like: "How about there's now 2 universes...no 5 universes...no 12 universes! Yeah, 12 universes will get us a few more movies." It just a crappy reason for more random stronger guys. I'm not saying there haven't been many crappy reasons for the same thing in the past. I'm just saying, to me, this stands out as a particularly crappy reason.

[WesMan23]

I think the multiple universe idea could work well, if it is implemented correctly. I mean, it could lead to some awesome world building. Excluding GT, how many times did our heroes fight enemies on another planet or location? There was Namek, and then Otherworld for a bit at the end of Z. Everything else has almost always been Earth battles. Goku and co. could go to these other universes and see what they're like, and challenge people from them. This is a good way to introduce stronger characters without it just being hand-waved. It's also a good way to introduce weaker fighters that Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Yamucha, etc. can keep up with, and they could become relevant again. If they do it right, it really could work out pretty well.

[Fizzer]

I don't think the revelation that there are 12 universe was planting the seed for more films, and I don't think we're going to see the others. That was just the classic Dragon Ball "No matter how good you are, there's always someone better. The world is always so much bigger than you think it is, and the adventure never ends" type of thing. It was just a really effective way to show that Goku still isn't at the top - actually, he's probably pretty far from it, accounting for the other 11 universes.

[WesMan23]

I don't think the revelation that there are 12 universe was planting the seed for more films, and I don't think we're going to see the others. That was just the classic Dragon Ball "No matter how good you are, there's always someone better. The world is always so much bigger than you think it is, and the adventure never ends" type of thing. It was just a really effective way to show that Goku still isn't at the top - actually, he's probably pretty far from it, accounting for the other 11 universes.

Yeah, but that's a major tease. Seriously. I mean, they mention that all these universes exist, but they don't expand upon it? I'm quite sure there's going to be more movies. As long as Toriyama and Nozawa are alive, so is Dragon Ball. It's a franchise that's been running nearly steady for 30 years, longer than many of us have probably been alive, and there's always room to grow with it, so I think the idea of the multiple universes actually allows the franchise to survive even longer. You don't just mention the idea and just drop it. I think that there is indeed, more to come, as far as that goes. Far too much potential to be just a throwaway remark.

[Hellspawn28]

There's a difference between alternate timelines and alternate universes. The ones created by Cell and Trunks are alternate timelines that exist in one universe.

[TheUltimateVegito]

Here's an interesting thought:

Turles acquired his Fruits from the Tree of Might from the God of destruction of his universe.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Here's an interesting thought:
Tullece acquired his Fruits from the Tree of Might from the God of destruction of his universe.

The fourth(?) Chozenshu implies that all the DBZGT stories we know that involve Goku and his friends or family take place solely within in the Seventh Universe, which would include Tullece's DBZ Movie 3. So it's part of an alternate timeline in the Seventh Universe...meaning his Hakaishin would still be Beerus.

[jollyr]

Good answers, personally I hope to see these other universes one day but I like what Fizzer said about it being classic Dragon Ball and all that. I doubt we'll get to see them anytime soon though (except in Heroes maybe) but its a cool idea to add to the mythology.