The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Gohan and Goku were more or less as strong as each other. There isn't much of a gap between SSJ1 Gohan or SSJ1 Goku in the Cell Games.

After thinking about it, Goku could not have possibly gotten much stronger in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber if Gohan couldn't keep up with his max power level, and if Goku had to lower his power level the whole time to make sure Gohan gets stronger. Right? They were most likely equals by the time they exited.

So I don't see too much of a different outcome with the Super Perfect Cell vs. SSJ2 Goku scenario.

[Saiga]

A hypothetical Cell Games SSJ2 Goku vs Super Perfect Cell.

It's the exact same fight as SS1 Goku vs Cell.

Except shorter and a more one sided, because even if you think the power gap is the same, SS2 consumes energy faster than MSS (or at least it should...).

Well, shorter maybe, but not more one-sided. I would assume Cell's "Super Perfect" form comes with increased energy consumption like SS2, so they'd both burn up energy faster but at the same rate compared to each other.

[xmysticgohanx]

SSJ3 Gokule (Goku and Hercule) vs Super Buu

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

SSJ3 Gokule (Goku and (the H-word)) vs Super Buu

He'll probably stay in base form the whole fight. It will start with a 2 minute charging/yelling session, and then saying "errr.. why haven't I transformed?" - scratching the back of his head doing that giggle he does. Then being pummeled, effortlessly.

[RandomGuy96]

Gohan and Goku were more or less as strong as each other. There isn't much of a gap between SSJ1 Gohan or SSJ1 Goku in the Cell Games.

After thinking about it, Goku could not have possibly gotten much stronger in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber if Gohan couldn't keep up with his max power level, and if Goku had to lower his power level the whole time to make sure Gohan gets stronger. Right? They were most likely equals by the time they exited.

So I don't see too much of a different outcome with the Super Perfect Cell vs. SSJ2 Goku scenario.

No. There was a huge gap in their power. Gohan was considerably stronger than Goku.

[kuartus4]

Gohan and Goku were more or less as strong as each other. There isn't much of a gap between SSJ1 Gohan or SSJ1 Goku in the Cell Games.

After thinking about it, Goku could not have possibly gotten much stronger in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber if Gohan couldn't keep up with his max power level, and if Goku had to lower his power level the whole time to make sure Gohan gets stronger. Right? They were most likely equals by the time they exited.

So I don't see too much of a different outcome with the Super Perfect Cell vs. SSJ2 Goku scenario.

MSSJ Gohan>MSSJ Goku at the Cell games is a fact and can't really be debated. The chapter where Goku pics Gohan to fight Cell and MSSJ Gohan powers up vs Cell is titled, "The Warrior Who Surpassed Goku."

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/manga/chp-403/

The title basically tells you straight up that Gohan>Goku.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Gohan and Goku were more or less as strong as each other. There isn't much of a gap between SSJ1 Gohan or SSJ1 Goku in the Cell Games.

After thinking about it, Goku could not have possibly gotten much stronger in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber if Gohan couldn't keep up with his max power level, and if Goku had to lower his power level the whole time to make sure Gohan gets stronger. Right? They were most likely equals by the time they exited.

So I don't see too much of a different outcome with the Super Perfect Cell vs. SSJ2 Goku scenario.

MSSJ Gohan>MSSJ Goku at the Cell games is a fact and can't really be debated. The chapter where Goku pics Gohan to fight Cell and MSSJ Gohan powers up vs Cell is titled, "The Warrior Who Surpassed Goku."

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/manga/chp-403/

The title basically tells you straight up that Gohan>Goku.

Perhaps by a margin. If Gohan doubted Goku's choice at first, and had spent the last year training WITH his own father, he would be able to compare himself to Goku. He'd immediately offer up fighting Cell without hesitation if he knew he was all that much stronger than his own dad. And the title could be referring to his sleeping power from inside of him? After all, much of that chapter was spent with Cell trying to bring it out of him.

[Kamiccolo9]

Gohan and Goku were more or less as strong as each other. There isn't much of a gap between SSJ1 Gohan or SSJ1 Goku in the Cell Games.

After thinking about it, Goku could not have possibly gotten much stronger in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber if Gohan couldn't keep up with his max power level, and if Goku had to lower his power level the whole time to make sure Gohan gets stronger. Right? They were most likely equals by the time they exited.

So I don't see too much of a different outcome with the Super Perfect Cell vs. SSJ2 Goku scenario.

MSSJ Gohan>MSSJ Goku at the Cell games is a fact and can't really be debated. The chapter where Goku pics Gohan to fight Cell and MSSJ Gohan powers up vs Cell is titled, "The Warrior Who Surpassed Goku."

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/manga/chp-403/

The title basically tells you straight up that Gohan>Goku.

Perhaps by a margin. If Gohan doubted Goku's choice at first, and had spent the last year training WITH his own father, he would be able to compare himself to Goku. He'd immediately offer up fighting Cell without hesitation if he knew he was all that much stronger than his own dad. And the title could be referring to his sleeping power from inside of him? After all, much of that chapter was spent with Cell trying to bring it out of him.

Gohan didn't know that he was stronger than Goku. That was the point. Then we find out that what he thought was his dad holding back was actually Goku using his full power, and that Gohan was actually comparing his dad's full power to his own, with Goku's coming up short.

[kuartus4]

Perhaps by a margin. If Gohan doubted Goku's choice at first, and had spent the last year training WITH his own father, he would be able to compare himself to Goku. He'd immediately offer up fighting Cell without hesitation if he knew he was all that much stronger than his own dad. And the title could be referring to his sleeping power from inside of him? After all, much of that chapter was spent with Cell trying to bring it out of him.

Nope. The chapter ends with MSSJ Gohan powering up and Cell, Trunks, and Krillin being shown shocked at his power. The title would naturally be referring to this power up.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Oh yeah, reading through the Manga again I see I was wrong about that. It appears Gohan already was stronger then!

More ideas for fights...

1. Piccolo (post RoSaT) VS. Semi-Perfect Cell

2. Vegeta (Ginyu saga) VS. Turles

3. Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) VS. Hercule!

[Pantalones]

1. Piccolo (post RoSaT) VS. Semi-Perfect Cell

Based on the jump he made during the training for the Androids, Namekian fusion seems to open up a pretty significant possibility for further growth to Piccolo (in addition to the initial boost), so I'd imagine Piccolo after an extra year-day of training would definitely be stronger than Cell in his second form. He seems to be depicted as being similar to Super Saiyan Vegeta and Trunks in power, and they were both strong enough to pummel that form of Cell with little effort even before they went in for a second year-day of training...

So even if he's behind their Cell Games levels, he should still be at or above where they are before (and thus far above 2nd-form Cell.) Otherwise the comparison between his power and theirs (with him, Vegeta, and Trunks being the only ones still standing against the Cell Juniors, while the humans and worn-out SSj Goku couldn't hold up long at all) wouldn't make much sense.

[RandomGuy96]

Oh yeah, reading through the Manga again I see I was wrong about that. It appears Gohan already was stronger then!

More ideas for fights...

1. Piccolo (post RoSaT) VS. Semi-Perfect Cell

2. Vegeta (Ginyu saga) VS. Tullece

3. Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) VS. (the H-word)!

Piccolo stomps. Trunks was shocked when Goku and Piccolo confirmed he'd be useless against Perfect Cell.

Exact equals. Vegeta wins due to skill.

Chi chi makes him explode with a poke.

[Kid Buu]

Stronget character Mr. Satan can beat? Pilaf Arc Yamcha?

[RandomGuy96]

Anime or manga? Manga Mr. Satan < Bob Sapp.

[Kid Buu]

Eh...let's do both.

[RandomGuy96]

Eh...let's do both.

Manga: no one super human

Anime: Pilaf arc Yamcha.

[rereboy]

Pilaf arc Yamcha was able to punch Goku through boulders of stone. No way Mr. Satan can do that.

[TobyS]

Why is Yamcha weaker in the anime?

He's still punting Goku around isn't he?

I think Satan would have a hard time with the bear warrior.

I reckon he could take the flying Dino who grabbed Bulma?

Not sure where in between that leaves him...

[RandomGuy96]

Why is Yamcha weaker in the anime?

He's not. Satan is just stronger.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Oh yeah, reading through the Manga again I see I was wrong about that. It appears Gohan already was stronger then!

More ideas for fights...

1. Piccolo (post RoSaT) VS. Semi-Perfect Cell

2. Vegeta (Ginyu saga) VS. Tullece

3. Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) VS. (the H-word)!

Piccolo stomps. Trunks was shocked when Goku and Piccolo confirmed he'd be useless against Perfect Cell.

Exact equals. Vegeta wins due to skill.

Chi chi makes him explode with a poke.

I can picture Satan at least coming in around the low 100's range. Maybe not near Roshi's 139 but perhaps 110 to 120?