Do you feel the King Cold segment was rushed?

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Re: Do you feel the King Cold segment was rushed?

Post by goku the krump dancer » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:55 am

Showing King Cold outside of the events that we do see him in would pretty much just a "A day in the life of Freeza". And Honestly watching a King be a King is pretty boring.

But say Cold doesn't show up in the manga at all.. Would you all prefer him over Cooler in Movie 5 and quite possibly 6 as well?
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Re: Do you feel the King Cold segment was rushed?

Post by Gutsxgoku » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:12 pm

goku the krump dancer wrote:Showing King Cold outside of the events that we do see him in would pretty much just a "A day in the life of Freeza". And Honestly watching a King be a King is pretty boring.

But say Cold doesn't show up in the manga at all.. Would you all prefer him over Cooler in Movie 5 and quite possibly 6 as well?
Interesting concept... which would of course lead to "What transformation stage is he in and can he get stronger?!!?!" I honestly don't know if I would rather have Cold in movie 5/6 opposed to Cooler. Personally I like to watch dub once in a while and I HATED the dub voice of Cold and actually like Cooler's so I guess I'm happy with everything the way it is currently. That's another reason I am glad Future Trunks did away with him quickly! :wink:

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Re: Do you feel the King Cold segment was rushed?

Post by Tokusentai » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:21 pm

I'd rather have Vegeta go SSJ and have a decent fight with Mecha Freeza and King Cold.

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Re: Do you feel the King Cold segment was rushed?

Post by Captain Sauza » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:32 pm

I kind of wish there was more conclusive information on King Cold because I hate how DB Multiverse has portrayed him. He shouldn't have any transformations. All the forms they're giving him is ridiculous.
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Re: Do you feel the King Cold segment was rushed?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:26 am

Captain Sauza wrote:I kind of wish there was more conclusive information on King Cold because I hate how DB Multiverse has portrayed him. He shouldn't have any transformations. All the forms they're giving him is ridiculous.
Funny, I like his DBM portrayal
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Re: Do you feel the King Cold segment was rushed?

Post by rereboy » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:46 am

Captain Sauza wrote:I kind of wish there was more conclusive information on King Cold because I hate how DB Multiverse has portrayed him. He shouldn't have any transformations. All the forms they're giving him is ridiculous.
The forms they are giving him are the forms that Freeza had. Cold looks like he is in Freeza's second form, so they gave him his version of the third form and final form. Don't see what's weird about that, other than him being way stronger than Freeza.

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Re: Do you feel the King Cold segment was rushed?

Post by Captain Sauza » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:08 am

rereboy wrote:
Captain Sauza wrote:I kind of wish there was more conclusive information on King Cold because I hate how DB Multiverse has portrayed him. He shouldn't have any transformations. All the forms they're giving him is ridiculous.
The forms they are giving him are the forms that Freeza had. Cold looks like he is in Freeza's second form, so they gave him his version of the third form and final form. Don't see what's weird about that, other than him being way stronger than Freeza.
DB Multiverse gets it way off with the entire Freeza family, imo. The problem I have with it is that Freeza's forms are unique to him. DB Multiverse gives King Cold all these additional forms based on the flawed logic that 'he looks like second form Freeza so therefore he's in his second suppression'. I don't know why it's such an outlandish idea for so many that Freeza's 2nd suppression looks similar to King Cold because he modeled it after the appearance of his father.

And then you have that ridiculousness in DBM about Cooler being afraid of being the weakest in the family again all due to some needless dub line that Funi added to mess with the original dub.
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Re: Do you feel the King Cold segment was rushed?

Post by rereboy » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:33 am

Captain Sauza wrote:The problem I have with it is that Freeza's forms are unique to him.
You have no idea if that's true or not because nothing has ever been confirmed in regards to that. You just have your interpretation, your opinion, and you don't like DBM because they have another possible interpretation, another possible opinion.

The only thing wrong about how DBM handled him, was that Cold couldn't have been significantly stronger than Freeza (with transformations or no transformations), because if he was, his whole scene his Trunks in the manga doesn't really make sense. But him having transformations doesn't really go agaisnt anything established and is, in fact, a perfectly reasonable interpretation given his appearance.

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Re: Do you feel the King Cold segment was rushed?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:37 pm

While Cold not being able to transform wasn't stated, it was very heavily implied. Him being weaker than Freeza is stated fact, though, and them making him so strong is what's really wrong with his portrayal, especially considering how completely unnecessary it is.
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Re: Do you feel the King Cold segment was rushed?

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:36 pm

I just wanted the confirmation if that was his normal form or second form. And if he had more.
Trunks killed him too quickly xD.
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