Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U.S.?
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U
I find it that the TFS impression of Goku underminded him a bit too much. A lot of the jokes he made didnt even make any sense to the series itself.... which is what they have been doing recently. They rarely make fun of the series itself anymore but just use it as a mouth piece for their own obscure meme starters.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
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I disagree - Vegeta saying "I don't care how many people I have to kill as long as you're one of them!" was a priceless parody moment on the story, as well as the "Nail Gun" scene.SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:I find it that the TFS impression of Goku underminded him a bit too much. A lot of the jokes he made didnt even make any sense to the series itself.... which is what they have been doing recently. They rarely make fun of the series itself anymore but just use it as a mouth piece for their own obscure meme starters.
Senzu Bean! did get a bit old, but that's the only example I can think of that fits with what you're trying to say. Even so...it died quick.
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U
Anything with running gags/repeating jokes will have people complaining they are overused.
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U
And again, nowhere near to the degree Yu-gi-oh! TAS has. Which we're not talking about, no, but its an equally popular example to go by.SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:I find it that the TFS impression of Goku underminded him a bit too much. A lot of the jokes he made didnt even make any sense to the series itself.... which is what they have been doing recently. They rarely make fun of the series itself anymore but just use it as a mouth piece for their own obscure meme starters.
Part of it is really the material the story gives them to work with. I know Kaiser was predicting Episode 34 to be one of their best, and it probably is, because it had so much stuff to play with it and TFS used all of it. Whereas #16-#18 before Cell's introduction kind of drags even in the original story- you can only do so much with that.
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U
TFS in snippets is fine, but actually doing the whole series, and making money from that, while touring the world on someone else's intellectual property? EUHH-no!
I didn't watch it because it would change the way I remember/view the series. I'm sure there are some people who like dumb fun, but because I have an image I want to keep of my fond childhood, I avoid it like the plague.
In all seriousness, I know it's there, I just don't watch it because it's too long, and I'd rather watch the real DBZ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kscG_gs2BOc
I didn't watch it because it would change the way I remember/view the series. I'm sure there are some people who like dumb fun, but because I have an image I want to keep of my fond childhood, I avoid it like the plague.
In all seriousness, I know it's there, I just don't watch it because it's too long, and I'd rather watch the real DBZ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kscG_gs2BOc
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To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less about the fans a re-issue might alienate because if all they're concerned about is being able to scalp the people who were either unaware of the Dragon Boxes or couldn't afford them at the time, they're just leeches and deserve to have their greed backfire on them.
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Re: Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U
We're not making money off of it. True, we're making money off of our side projects, but we spend a *tremendous* amount of time and effort on DBZA proper, so we're at least trying to earn it.Gokuden wrote:TFS in snippets is fine, but actually doing the whole series, and making money from that, while touring the world on someone else's intellectual property? EUHH-no!
I didn't watch it because it would change the way I remember/view the series. I'm sure there are some people who like dumb fun, but because I have an image I want to keep of my fond childhood, I avoid it like the plague.
In all seriousness, I know it's there, I just don't watch it because it's too long, and I'd rather watch the real DBZ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kscG_gs2BOc
As far as touring the world goes... yeah, I'll admit, it's a pretty fantastic perk. But again: We do try and put in the work.
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POPO!KaiserNeko wrote:We're not making money off of it. True, we're making money off of our side projects, but we spend a *tremendous* amount of time and effort on DBZA proper, so we're at least trying to earn it.Gokuden wrote:TFS in snippets is fine, but actually doing the whole series, and making money from that, while touring the world on someone else's intellectual property? EUHH-no!
I didn't watch it because it would change the way I remember/view the series. I'm sure there are some people who like dumb fun, but because I have an image I want to keep of my fond childhood, I avoid it like the plague.
In all seriousness, I know it's there, I just don't watch it because it's too long, and I'd rather watch the real DBZ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kscG_gs2BOc
As far as touring the world goes... yeah, I'll admit, it's a pretty fantastic perk. But again: We do try and put in the work.
I was just fusing every negative opinion into one. I missed the boat in watching it any time soon, my overnighters have long since passed. Your show is very suitable for those lonely nights when one is contemplating work on an essay, and never getting to it, or just playing the series in a side window. Maybe.... I could download your series onto my ipod and watch it on a plane ride.
I wasn't serious in the first paragraph of my previous post, I couldn't care less if you made money from your work. I just like the fact that you have DBZ in your resume, and you're akin to improv.
Best of luck.
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To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less about the fans a re-issue might alienate because if all they're concerned about is being able to scalp the people who were either unaware of the Dragon Boxes or couldn't afford them at the time, they're just leeches and deserve to have their greed backfire on them.
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Ah, alrighty. Thanks for the support, then! It's appreciated.Gokuden wrote:POPO!KaiserNeko wrote:We're not making money off of it. True, we're making money off of our side projects, but we spend a *tremendous* amount of time and effort on DBZA proper, so we're at least trying to earn it.Gokuden wrote:TFS in snippets is fine, but actually doing the whole series, and making money from that, while touring the world on someone else's intellectual property? EUHH-no!
I didn't watch it because it would change the way I remember/view the series. I'm sure there are some people who like dumb fun, but because I have an image I want to keep of my fond childhood, I avoid it like the plague.
In all seriousness, I know it's there, I just don't watch it because it's too long, and I'd rather watch the real DBZ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kscG_gs2BOc
As far as touring the world goes... yeah, I'll admit, it's a pretty fantastic perk. But again: We do try and put in the work.
I was just fusing every negative opinion into one. I missed the boat in watching it any time soon, my overnighters have long since passed. Your show is very suitable for those lonely nights when one is contemplating work on an essay, and never getting to it, or just playing the series in a side window. Maybe.... I could download your series onto my ipod and watch it on a plane ride.
I wasn't serious in the first paragraph of my previous post, I couldn't care less if you made money from your work. I just like the fact that you have DBZ in your resume, and you're akin to improv.
Best of luck.
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Thats a given because anything that starts overused will end overused.Polyphase Avatron wrote:Anything with running gags/repeating jokes will have people complaining they are overused.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
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I'm tired of hearing how worthless Raditz is all the time. 

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I've never heard about this before I may have glanced at it once or twice. But I just watched the first episode, and its funny. I like it, as far as hurting the franchise. Nothing will ever hurt the franchise in the eyes of the fans, everyone seems to have a version that it special to them. For me the original Japanese dub & soundtrack it by far the superior version. But stuff like this is good for getting fans in the door, if they really like it they will do the research themselves & want to learn the history and experience the other versions.
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I've watched to episode 3 now.. This shit is really funny, they did a good job.Elguapo wrote:I've never heard about this before I may have glanced at it once or twice. But I just watched the first episode, and its funny. I like it, as far as hurting the franchise. Nothing will ever hurt the franchise in the eyes of the fans, everyone seems to have a version that it special to them. For me the original Japanese dub & soundtrack it by far the superior version. But stuff like this is good for getting fans in the door, if they really like it they will do the research themselves & want to learn the history and experience the other versions.
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Honestly, it gets a lot better. The very early episodes are the weakest in my opinion.Elguapo wrote:
I've watched to episode 3 now.. This shit is really funny, they did a good job.
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I'm sick of hearing how worthless Kuririn and Yamcha are all the time.Kid Buu wrote:I'm tired of hearing how worthless Raditz is all the time.

I like TFS but because of their portrayal in TFS, the fandom has hated Kuririn and Yamcha a lot more than ever now.
and that's NOT FAIR at all......

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Elguapo wrote:I've watched to episode 3 now.. This shit is really funny, they did a good job.Elguapo wrote:I've never heard about this before I may have glanced at it once or twice. But I just watched the first episode, and its funny. I like it, as far as hurting the franchise. Nothing will ever hurt the franchise in the eyes of the fans, everyone seems to have a version that it special to them. For me the original Japanese dub & soundtrack it by far the superior version. But stuff like this is good for getting fans in the door, if they really like it they will do the research themselves & want to learn the history and experience the other versions.
Now I've watched 15 lol I am officially a fan, yea Kuririn & Yamcha get a lot of flack but that's Ttoryiama's fault for making them so inconsequential throughout the series.
Even on the DVD I made, I naturally made a joke about Yamcha.
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Krillin saves the day repeatedly throughout the Saiyan and Freeza arcs. He's anything but inconsequential.
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And he was honestly very useful in Cell arc.RandomGuy96 wrote:Krillin saves the day repeatedly throughout the Saiyan and Freeza arcs. He's anything but inconsequential.
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No, it's like Yu gi oh abridged in that it's done by fans with love
It's a fun parody and I love The Christmas Tree of Might, especially Tullece's moment with Goku about Freeze Day
It's a fun parody and I love The Christmas Tree of Might, especially Tullece's moment with Goku about Freeze Day
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Hey so was Yamcha in the Pilaf arc. He saved Bulma at least 3 times.RandomGuy96 wrote:Krillin saves the day repeatedly throughout the Saiyan and Freeza arcs. He's anything but inconsequential.
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Elguapo wrote:Elguapo wrote:I've watched to episode 3 now.. This shit is really funny, they did a good job.Elguapo wrote:I've never heard about this before I may have glanced at it once or twice. But I just watched the first episode, and its funny. I like it, as far as hurting the franchise. Nothing will ever hurt the franchise in the eyes of the fans, everyone seems to have a version that it special to them. For me the original Japanese dub & soundtrack it by far the superior version. But stuff like this is good for getting fans in the door, if they really like it they will do the research themselves & want to learn the history and experience the other versions.
Now I've watched 15 lol I am officially a fan
So at this point I've watched everything, its great and all but one thing bothers me. They made Goku just a little too stupid & naive. I understand all the characters are suppose to be exaggerated versions of themselves, but after a while it really started to annoy me lol. Am I alone here with that statement?
We all know part of Goku's charm is his optimism and innocence. But when the time comes to get serious, he looks his opponent dead in they eye scared of nothing. I always took that as his way of letting everyone know he is the baddest mofo on the block and he knows it.
I know its satire and suppose to be funny, and it is. But hearing Goku sound half retarded started to make me cringe.
I did watch it all in 2 sitting so maybe I over dosed on the show. But yeah, I just wanted to share that.