Things that didn't make sense in-universe

[UltimateHammerBro]

Mr. Popo being faster than Goku?

Remember when Popo zapped Bulmaall the way across the planet in just a couple seconds, to Yanzabit Highlands?

He used a carpet.And why didn't Mr.Popo gave that carpet to Goku when he needed to battle the Saiyans?

I'm really, really sorry, but I have to say it: Makin' toast!

[Mystic Buu]

Mr. Popo being faster than Goku?

Remember when Popo zapped Bulmaall the way across the planet in just a couple seconds, to Yanzabit Highlands?

He used a carpet.And why didn't Mr.Popo gave that carpet to Goku when he needed to battle the Saiyans?

I'm really, really sorry, but I have to say it: Makin' toast!

Aaaaah,fine.NIMBUUUUUUUS!

[Vice]

A Kaioken X10 would probably put Pre-fusion Piccolo above Goku and Vegeta. I don't know about that, it would have made Piccolo the strongest character in the whole series from that point forward.

Toriyama could have simply tempered Piccolo's base power and still kept him somewhat relevant post Cell Saga and yet still keep him below the Super Saiyan 2 guys.

Don't know why he had to continue to be weaker than the first form Super Saiyans if they're just going to end up completely irrelevant anyway.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Toriyama should have indeed given Piccolo some way to at least be SSJ2 tier (SSJ2.5) at most just to keep him useful instead of having Goten and Trunks somehow surpass him magically because of Saiyan-privilege.

[Polyphase Avatron]

No. In the Saiya-jin arc, he was able to communicate telepathically with Gohan and Kuririn with no explanation.

Yeah, the random psychic powers thing with Goku has ALWAYS annoyed the crap out of me. Toriyama even has Goku try to play it off as a, "Hmm, I dunno. I just can," kind of thing, but, no, NO, you just can't do that!

But what doesn't annoy the crap out of me is that that was my 4,000th post!

I always interpreted it like this:

To just communicate (equivalent of talking on a phone) he doesn't need to be physically touching someone, but to read their thoughts/memories directly, he has to touch them.

[Gaffer Tape]

Yeah, that has been demonstrated. But it still doesn't explain WHY he can suddenly read minds! I can almost kinda sorta buy that he can communicate due to his training with Kaio. Kinda... But as for mind-reading? Admittedly I've never spent time in heavy gravity, but I wouldn't think mind-reading would be related to it. And it's not because of Kai because that's not what Goku says: he says that he can suddenly do that now that he's trained on the ship. How is that related? Vegeta later trained in heavy gravity. Can he read minds now too?

[rereboy]

Yeah, that has been demonstrated. But it still doesn't explain WHY he can suddenly read minds! I can almost kinda sorta buy that he can communicate due to his training with Kaio. Kinda... But as for mind-reading? Admittedly I've never spent time in heavy gravity, but I wouldn't think mind-reading would be related to it. And it's not because of Kai because that's not what Goku says: he says that he can suddenly do that now that he's trained on the ship. How is that related? Vegeta later trained in heavy gravity. Can he read minds now too?

Ki is part spiritual so in his Ki training he probably discovered how to do these things with Ki and Ki sensing. Anyway, Roshi was shown to be able to read the mind of other people from a distance just by concentrating, which is even more impressive.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Yeah, that has been demonstrated. But it still doesn't explain WHY he can suddenly read minds! I can almost kinda sorta buy that he can communicate due to his training with Kaio. Kinda... But as for mind-reading? Admittedly I've never spent time in heavy gravity, but I wouldn't think mind-reading would be related to it. And it's not because of Kai because that's not what Goku says: he says that he can suddenly do that now that he's trained on the ship. How is that related? Vegeta later trained in heavy gravity. Can he read minds now too?

Ki is part spiritual so in his Ki training he probably discovered how to do these things with Ki and Ki sensing. Anyway, Roshi was shown to be able to read the mind of other people from a distance just by concentrating, which is even more impressive.

It would be too easy to answer with "that" quote, but I'm going to guess. What if Kami taught him how to do it, but he just didn't use it until that moment. Was that "I can do it because I've trained in heavy gravity" line in Japanese?

[Gaffer Tape]

No, it's not explicitly said. He says that he didn't know, but he just had a feeling that would work. Uncommon for me, but I was actually remembering the dub, which was a bit more explicit with that. But it's definitely implied to be something he'd never tried or even thought about trying before, so it has to be something he picked up while training. But, yeah, the line really does give the message of, "I dunno. I just pulled it out of my ass."

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yeah, that has been demonstrated. But it still doesn't explain WHY he can suddenly read minds!

We have an explanation in Daizenshuu 4:

Son Goku
A telepathic ability blossomed through intense training.
Just by holding his hand over someone's head, he reads their memories. While asleep, he hears what everyone says amidst his dreams. These various forms of telepathy are a result of undergoing intense training and sharpening his spirit.

[pic]
Goku speaks inside Gohan's heart. The other people can't hear what he says.

[Gaffer Tape]

But that's not an explanation. The "explanation" is, like I said, that it "just happened."

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But that's not an explanation. The "explanation" is, like I said, that it "just happened."

It says that this happened because of the intense training and sharpening of his spirit. How is that not an explanation?

[Gaffer Tape]

Because it's not a skill he was attempting to learn. It's not something he was putting any effort into getting. It's barely related to anything he was trying to do. It makes only slightly more sense than if it said, "Through intense martial arts training, Goku inadvertently learned how to play the piano."

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Because it's not a skill he was attempting to learn. It's not something he was putting any effort into getting. It's barely related to anything he was trying to do. It makes only slightly more sense than if it said, "Through intense martial arts training, Goku inadvertently learned how to play the piano."

But piano & martial arts are 2 unrelated things. Obviously, telepathic abilities are related with martial arts, which are related with spiritual training.

[Hades]

So, by the time he's SSJ3 according to DB Logic, he's an Epic Level Psion on par withn Ilsensine?