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TenshiGokuu
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by TenshiGokuu » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:35 pm
So i was wondering if whenever Goku could actually breathe in space, because during Frieza fight, he told Goku that he would not be able to survive in space, but Frieza on the other hand would? LIKE HOW?
He obviously alive and has to breathe oxygen too? now it got me thinking if the whole theory whenever Goku could not survive in space meant that in terms of, ohh he would not have any food or water to sustain himself in space for long period of time, while Frieza could just return to his ship? if that's the case then, I am wondering could Goku just tried to find some other place to stay, because we know that if he went full Super Saiyan 1 he could easily travel at around 52,083km+ per second and that's assuming the power level stays linear which it doesn't, meaning he could probably pull off more than just that.
The reason i made this thread was because to see what would have really happened if Goku could not find any ship to take off? if Frieza near his death state could survive a point blank namek explosion, then Goku would have survived aswell, leaving him with few options Find some other planet to stay.

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by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:49 pm
If Goku needs to breathe, which he clearly does, then he can't survive in space.
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Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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by penguintruth » Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:12 pm
He can survive as long as he doesn't think about how he can't.
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by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:12 pm
All I can provide is Toriyama's statement on the matter.
What are your thoughts on the story you made having become an anime?
With manga, from the story to the art, everything is completed by drawing it myself. Nothing appears beyond what I’ve come up with myself. But with anime, I leave it up to other people, there’s a possibility that something greater than I myself imagined will be finished up, right? That’s the most enjoyable part of it! This time in particular, the battle scenes were greater than I had imagined. They were better by far than what I’d imagined! I was most concerned with the final battle, but when I was writing the story, no real image of it came to mind. With battles, there are really parts that you don’t understand unless you draw it in pictures…so I was worried about what I should do if there was no power in the centerpiece battle. But…the power was greater than I had imagined! Just as you’d expect from animation professionals! I thought, at the very least, I myself had never seen that sort of super-showy battle scene before.
I thought that things would get out of hand if they fought right there at Capsule Corporation, but naturally, the location changed. (laughs) To think that they’d go all the way into the stratosphere[1]……but thinking about it, they’re both aliens, after all. Maybe they can just barely breathe.
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[1] Judging by the film, they’re in low Earth orbit, which is in the ionosphere, and definitely not survivable by ordinary mortals. But let’s not over-think this…
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by xJeffx » Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:38 pm
Maybe he was holding his breath? During his fight with Frieza, Goku held his breath underwater for a while.
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by Hellspawn28 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:42 pm
Maybe they are not fully in space in the battle between Beerus and SSjG Goku.
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by Saiyan007 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:11 pm
That part of space is called the exosphere.
•Exosphere: The exosphere is the outermost layer of the Earth's atmosphere. The exosphere goes from about 400 miles (640 km) high to about 800 miles (1,280 km). The lower boundary of the exosphere is called the critical level of escape, where atmospheric pressure is very low (the gas atoms are very widely spaced) and the temperature is very low.
The atmosphere here merges into space in the extremely thin air.
So Basically there is little to no air up where Goku and Beerus was.
It just shows Saiyans have a better lung capacity also he could of stayed up there longer but he was exhausted from the fight not becuase of the lack of air even when he was out of breath he was still up there showing no signs of asphyxiation
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by Friezacooler » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:19 pm
krillin can survive in space. They fight and move faster than light speed or godly eyes can see. So to question whether they can breathe in space at that point that question becomes pathetic.
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by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:34 pm
Friezacooler wrote:krillin can survive in space. They fight and move faster than light speed or godly eyes can see. So to question whether they can breathe in space at that point that question becomes pathetic.
Krillin cannot breathe in space. That was the reason they had to use one of their wishes to Porunga to move Krillin's soul to Enma's realm, so that he wouldn't die of suffocation upon being revived where Namek used to be.
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by Friezacooler » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:37 pm
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Friezacooler wrote:krillin can survive in space. They fight and move faster than light speed or godly eyes can see. So to question whether they can breathe in space at that point that question becomes pathetic.
Krillin cannot breathe in space. That was the reason they had to use one of their wishes to Porunga to move Krillin's soul to Enma's realm, so that he wouldn't die of suffocation upon being revived where Namek used to be.
movie 2 shows different.
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by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:39 pm
Friezacooler wrote:Kamiccolo9 wrote:Friezacooler wrote:krillin can survive in space. They fight and move faster than light speed or godly eyes can see. So to question whether they can breathe in space at that point that question becomes pathetic.
Krillin cannot breathe in space. That was the reason they had to use one of their wishes to Porunga to move Krillin's soul to Enma's realm, so that he wouldn't die of suffocation upon being revived where Namek used to be.
movie 2 shows different.
The manga trumps Movie 2. And I don't seem to remember Krillin ever being in space in that movie.
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by Friezacooler » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:07 pm
movie 2 shows different.[/quote]
The manga trumps Movie 2. And I don't seem to remember Krillin ever being in space in that movie.[/quote]
starting from 52 minutes in to the movie.
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by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:18 pm
Friezacooler wrote:
starting from 52 minutes in to the movie.
Ok. All I'm seeing is yet another reason to totally discount Movie 2. The manga has greater authority than the movies, and it states that Krillin cannot survive in space. And by "states," I mean that it flat-out says that he can't survive in space, and that if he were to be revived without moving his soul to Enma's, he would die.
Edit: In the translation that I just looked up, Kaio says that both Krillin and Goku would die if brought back to life where they died previously (at this point, everyone still thought that Goku had died when Namek exploded). That's a pretty direct statement that they can't survive in space.
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by mmg86 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:23 pm
TenshiGokuu wrote:if he went full Super Saiyan 1 he could easily travel at around 52,083km+ per second and that's assuming the power level stays linear which it doesn't, meaning he could probably pull off more than just that.
Please take a look at when Goku first demonstrated teleportation, how far away they were from Kame House, and you will realize your assumption was quite far from reality.
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by goku the krump dancer » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:38 am
Goku at twelve had a body that was twice as strong as that of an average human. So even by then he could survive about twice as long as the average person in space but now were in BoG/End of Z territory where he's a bagillion times better than he was in the beginning so he should be able to survive space a bagillion times longer than he could before.
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by Monkey D Goku » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:54 am
I always like to believe Sayians had the ability to store up oxygen within their bodies for use in space. Like Bardock was in space fighting Frieza and his men.
What I thought Frieza meant is that Goku could survive in space for a short period of time due to him storing up oxygen but he would still eventually suffocate.
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by Hellspawn28 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:59 am
Friezacooler wrote:Kamiccolo9 wrote:Friezacooler wrote:krillin can survive in space. They fight and move faster than light speed or godly eyes can see. So to question whether they can breathe in space at that point that question becomes pathetic.
Krillin cannot breathe in space. That was the reason they had to use one of their wishes to Porunga to move Krillin's soul to Enma's realm, so that he wouldn't die of suffocation upon being revived where Namek used to be.
movie 2 shows different.
The only movies that I feel like we can used in debates other then BOG is Movie 9 and 13 given how they fit into the timeline very well. The older DBZ movies never made much sense.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:48 am
Saiyans are shown to be able to survive in the stratosphere of a planet, but they can't survive in the vacuum of space.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by rereboy » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:46 am
Saiyan007 wrote:That part of space is called the exosphere.
•Exosphere: The exosphere is the outermost layer of the Earth's atmosphere. The exosphere goes from about 400 miles (640 km) high to about 800 miles (1,280 km). The lower boundary of the exosphere is called the critical level of escape, where atmospheric pressure is very low (the gas atoms are very widely spaced) and the temperature is very low.
The atmosphere here merges into space in the extremely thin air.
So Basically there is little to no air up where Goku and Beerus was.
It just shows Saiyans have a better lung capacity also he could of stayed up there longer but he was exhausted from the fight not becuase of the lack of air even when he was out of breath he was still up there showing no signs of asphyxiation
For all we know the atmosphere on Earth in Dragon Ball can be significantly different from the real world. But I agree that Goku must have a incredible lung capacity.
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by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:52 pm
From what Toriyama said I take it to mean that he can breathe in a much thinner atmosphere than humans can but still not in a vacuum.