Broly's Power?

[Mystic Buu]

Movie 8:Strong as Full Power Perfect Cell.
Movie 10:Stronger than SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan.
Movie 11:Stronger than SSJ Kid Trunks.

[Cursed Lemon]

The big problem is that Broly's deaths are completely contradictory to his feats.

My presumption is that all of the heroes basically stopped their ROSAT training midway to go fight Broly. Gohan's a SSJ but neither he nor Goku seem to be in their full-power states. Trunks manages SSJ Grade 2 (or that's what I've read anyway).

Regardless though, Goku fired a charged Kamehameha at Cell and blew him to pieces. A mostly-similar Goku fired a charged Kamehameha at Broly, and Broly tanked it without guarding.

[RandomGuy96]

Cell was MASSIVELY suppressed when Goku blew him apart. If he were at full power, he'd have done the same thing, and that's not even factoring in M8 Goku being much weaker than CG Goku. He also spent a long time charging that attack against Cell, while his Kamehameha against Broly was quick fired with no apparent charge.

How are any of Broly's death contradictory? He's overpowered by a power equivalent to approximately x1.3 SS2 teen Gohan in M10 (SS2 teen Gohan + SS Goten) in a similar way to Cell (i.e. his power was probably very close to what overpowered him but he dropped his guard for a sec due to a distraction) and quickly and brutally killed by an amplified Kamehameha from said power, and one-shotted by the equivalent of five Grade II Vegeta powers added together in M8.

[Super Vegetto]

Movie 8: suppressed Perfect Cell that fought Goku

Movie 10: SPC

Movie 10 what if Broly is SSJ3: SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Broly > SSJ3 Goku

[chaospunishment]

The LSS multiplier is probably higher than SS3's to start with

broly is nothing special in Super Saiyan. He can't even kill Videl or the Super Saiyan kids.

[Super Vegetto]

The lssj is form of it's own,,i don't think Broly can achive and use 2 form at once because that doesn't make sense.

He's eather LSSJ or SSJ3,,LSSJ is the actual form and not the person in non cannon...

Btw i'm pretty sure Broly toyed with them just like with Gohan...

[chaospunishment]

Same difference. The power he gains is most likely higher than what SS3 would get him.

Considering Goten is there and he thinks that he's Goku...

I highly doubt it.

[Cursed Lemon]

Cell was MASSIVELY suppressed when Goku blew him apart. If he were at full power, he'd have done the same thing, and that's not even factoring in M8 Goku being much weaker than CG Goku. He also spent a long time charging that attack against Cell, while his Kamehameha against Broly was quick fired with no apparent charge.

How are any of Broly's death contradictory? He's overpowered by a power equivalent to approximately x1.3 SS2 teen Gohan in M10 (SS2 teen Gohan + SS Goten) in a similar way to Cell (i.e. his power was probably very close to what overpowered him but he dropped his guard for a sec due to a distraction) and quickly and brutally killed by an amplified Kamehameha from said power, and one-shotted by the equivalent of five Grade II Vegeta powers added together in M8.

Firstly, on the bold, Broly went from handing Goku his ass (after he absorbed the energy from two SSJs and a comparable Namekian) to getting destroyed in one punch by ONLY the addition of a weakened Vegeta's remaining strength. That by itself is ridiculous.

Secondly, in M10, it depends HEAVILY on your interpretation of SSJ levels and strength multipliers. For instance, does a SSJ2 - Broly being in that tier of strength roughly speaking - hit a stalemate in a beam struggle against two SSJs? SSJ2 is, after all, only a 2x multiplier over SSJ.

Gohan, despite putting up mediocre resistance, was still getting his shit kicked in by Broly (which counts more towards Gohan's complete suckage as an adult, IMHOtep), and Trunks + Goten couldn't even damage Broly BEFORE he transformed. Broly not only got beaten by an injured + atrophied SSJ2 and an injured SSJ, he got MASSIVELY overkilled. He didn't even block the attack before succumbing to it. That's completely inconsistent with the way he was total dominating beforehand.

[Super Vegetto]

Same difference. The power he gains is most likely higher than what SS3 would get him.

Considering Goten is there and he thinks that he's Goku...

I highly doubt it.

I think that creators of ssj3 broly just fan made him in lssj form because Broly is most popular and loved in that one...Broly can revert in normal form, but i think that some of them just didn't see it that way...

Also this scan only says ssj3 broly above:

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq29 ... 493250.jpg


Well if he wasn't holdig back best explanation is that no one dies in movies (the hero's)...

[Dbzfan94]

• Movie 8 - Around as strong as Perfect Cell when he first appeared.
• Movie 10 - Stronger than Super Perfect Cell, and any Super Saiyan 2, but far below Super Saiyan 3 Goku. SS2 Goku would need Paikuhan's help to beat him (implied in M11).
• What-If: Super Saiyan 3 - Stronger than SS3 Goku. SS3 Goku & SS3 Vegeta can beat him if they team up though.
• Movie 11 - Bio-Broli is as strong as Broli before he died.
• Video Games - Close in power with SS Gogeta, but still inferior.

Video Game power shouldn't count cause I can easily beat characters like SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta/Gogeta, Omega Shenron, and Vegetto with Piccolo

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Video Game power shouldn't count cause I can easily beat characters like SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta/Gogeta, Omega Shenron, and Vegetto with Piccolo

I'm not talking about gameplay, I mean in the openings.

[RandomGuy96]

. Firstly, on the bold, Broly went from handing Goku his ass (after he absorbed the energy from two SSJs and a comparable Namekian) to getting destroyed in one punch by ONLY the addition of a weakened Vegeta's remaining strength. That by itself is ridiculous.

Secondly, in M10, it depends HEAVILY on your interpretation of SSJ levels and strength multipliers. For instance, does a SSJ2 - Broly being in that tier of strength roughly speaking - hit a stalemate in a beam struggle against two SSJs? SSJ2 is, after all, only a 2x multiplier over SSJ.

Gohan, despite putting up mediocre resistance, was still getting his shit kicked in by Broly (which counts more towards Gohan's complete suckage as an adult, IMHOtep), and Trunks + Goten couldn't even damage Broly BEFORE he transformed. Broly not only got beaten by an injured + atrophied SSJ2 and an injured SSJ, he got MASSIVELY overkilled. He didn't even block the attack before succumbing to it. That's completely inconsistent with the way he was total dominating beforehand.

No, it isn't. Especially powerful attacks are beyond one's own power (this is clearly seen in the Cell example), explaining why Broly quickly died. His barrier lasted all of like five seconds, then the Kamehameha went right through him. Combined Kamehameha > Omega Blaster > SS2 Gohan + SS Goten >= LSS Broly > SS2 Gohan > SS Broly > SS Goten.

The energy donation was weird, but meh, that's just how it works in Toei land. See Movie 4 and Movie 14.

[Raykugen]

"His power is maximum"

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

A lot of people overrate Broly, I personally like him just for his Special transformation, which is probably why people are like "OMG HE CAN BEAT SSJ4 GOKU AND BILLS WITH HIS PINKIE LOLOLOLOLOLOL" :/
I have it at
Movie 8 Broly LSSJ= Full power Perfect Cell
Movie 10 Broly LSSJ= SSJ2 Goku
Movie 10 Broly LSSJ (If he survived the family Kamehameha)= Fat Buu
RB2 Broly LSSJ3= Kid buu ( a bit weaker, Broly gets SSJ3 from surviving from movie 10's blast so he get a Zenkai.)

Now that may seem overrated but bear in mind Broly is still strong, but he defiantly can be beat. I'd say SSJ3 Goku could be beat by Broly LSSJ3, but easily stomp LSSJ Broly. As for Bio-Broly I don't even...
But we may have to take in to account that....We have no idea what LSSJ's multiplier is, though it be significantly higher than a regular Super Saiyan for sure.So his SSJ2 is like 10x higher? LSSJ is 20xBasePower?(LSSJ is like his SSJ2, So Broly's SSJ is just 50x) That would actually explain why he gets so powerful without training, because his LSSJ multiplier is really high, and not the normal 2x for SSJ2.
Numbers for power going 1-10
Movie 8:
Goku FPSSJ 7
Trunks SSJ 5
Vegeta ASSJ 6
Piccolo 4
Gohan FPSSJ 5.5
Broly (Base) 3.5
Broly RSSJ 6
Broly LSSJ 9
Movie 10:
Goten SSJ 5
Trunks SSJ 5
Videl 3
Gohan SSJ 6
Gohan SSJ2 7
Broly SSJ 6
Broly LSSJ 8
Goku SSJ2 7.5
Family Kamehameha 10
Omega Blaster 9.5
If anyone wants to give there opinion on the powers feel free.

[RandomGuy96]

A SS and SS2 beat Broly while three much stronger SS2s + two SS2s were stated to be useless against fatso. There's no way Broly is anywhere near any form of Buu. He probably is weaker than SS2 Goku, going by what actually killed him.

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

A SS and SS2 beat Broly while three much stronger SS2s + two SS2s were stated to be useless against fatso. There's no way Broly is anywhere near any form of Buu. He probably is weaker than SS2 Goku, going by what actually killed him.

Actually, you're right I have Broly at Fat Buu IF he survived the family Kamehameha, that was my bad. Movie 10 Broly is weaker than Fat Buu, he's probably around SSJ2 Goku at that point like you said.

[dario03]

I always figured the family Kamehameha was Gohan, Goten, and Goku plus the weird interference from Trunks.

The LSS multiplier is probably higher than SS3's to start with

broly is nothing special in Super Saiyan. He can't even kill Videl or the Super Saiyan kids.

His SS form was enough to tank hits from SS Vegeta like they were nothing. And I'm pretty sure Vegeta is stronger than Videl...

Same difference. The power he gains is most likely higher than what SS3 would get him.

Considering Goten is there and he thinks that he's Goku...

I highly doubt it.

Goten being there shouldn't mean that Broly wasn't holding back. He toyed with Goku in movie 8. Yeah he really seems to hate him but it seems like a lot of his odd behavior was just him having to not fight Goku, as soon as he transforms to LSS hes just a typical "I'm gonna kill you all" kind of villain.

[chaospunishment]

His SS form was enough to tank hits from SS Vegeta like they were nothing. And I'm pretty sure Vegeta is stronger than Videl...

While transforming... Goku blocked a hit from Final Form Cooler too. Was he stronger than him in base?

Base Goku fought off broly easy.

Goten being there shouldn't mean that Broly wasn't holding back. He toyed with Goku in movie 8. Yeah he really seems to hate him but it seems like a lot of his odd behavior was just him having to not fight Goku, as soon as he transforms to LSS hes just a typical "I'm gonna kill you all" kind of villain

When? He is a mindless idiot. He doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to know what holding back is.

He tried to attack Goku while he was sleeping. So you think he's not holding back any other time?

[RandomGuy96]

SS Goten and SS Trunks are quite strong, at least as strong as Cell Juniors if not stronger, and SS Broly was beating the crap out of them. I think LSS's multiplier is only x2 off of normal Super Saiyan. Or lower.

I always figured the family Kamehameha was Gohan, Goten, and Goku plus the weird interference from Trunks.

Goku was only there in spirit. He wasn't physically there firing a Kamehameha; the scene makes that pretty clear. He just shows up on Earth immediately, there's no dragon, the rules of the dragon balls say he can't be wished back at this point, and he only uses SS, even though this being the early Buu Saga he should just be able to go SS2 or SS3 and fire a Kamehameha to back up the boys' and insta-kill Broly.

I think that the Family Kamehameha was initially a weakened SS Gohan + SS Goten, which Broly's Omega Blaster handled easily. However, after Goku showed up to give his pep talk, both put out all their power, and Gohan transformed into a SS2. So then it was SS2 Gohan + SS Goten, together packing a power roughly equivalent to enraged SS2 Gohan at the Cell Games. Trunks briefly distracts Broly as a counterpart to Vegeta, and by temporarily dropping his guard for a sec his attack is overtaken by the Kamehameha which then insta-kills him as a counterpart to Cell.

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

When? He is a mindless idiot. He doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to know what holding back is.

He tried to attack Goku while he was sleeping. So you think he's not holding back any other time?

I don't think Broly's an idiot (maybe Some side effects from mind control), hes just more stupid in power. he thinks he so strong he can just tanks their hits, and he does.