The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Hmm.. I personally put SSJ3 Vegito above SSJ4 Gogeta which is a very strong character. I don't think God Goku is above all of GT. But I guess it's all opinion. We have no actual power levels beyond Freeza, and depending on what multipliers we use for SSJ3 the outcome could be different

Super Vegetto is stated to be "perhaps" stronger than SS4 Goku (which I interpret as slightly stronger), SS3 makes a Super Saiyan x8 stronger, while Fusion makes the users dozens of times stronger. So, SS3 Vegetto would be far stronger than SS4 Goku, but SS4 Gogeta would be far stronger than SS3 Vegetto.

[sintzu]

When vegeta did his final explosion on him he wasen't at full power yet he almost killed him so at full power i'm sure he or goku could have killed him with that attack

[xmysticgohanx]

SSJ Vegetto at the minimum is equal to SSJ4 Goku so SSJ3 Vegetto would be 8x SSJ4 Goku. Syn Shenron didn't even get hurt by SSJ4 Goku's 10x Kamehameha so at the minimum Syn Shenron is 10x SSJ4 Goku. Omega Shenron said he's 10x than Syn Shenron and since SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger than Omega that means Gogeta is >100x Goku (I personally have fusion a 75x boost for Z)

[xmysticgohanx]

SSJ Vegetto at the minimum is equal to SSJ4 Goku so SSJ3 Vegetto would be 8x SSJ4 Goku. Syn Shenron didn't even get hurt by SSJ4 Goku's 10x Kamehameha so at the minimum Syn Shenron is 10x SSJ4 Goku. Omega Shenron said he's 10x than Syn Shenron and since SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger than Omega that means Gogeta is >100x Goku (I personally have fusion a 75x boost for Z)

[Kamiccolo9]

When vegeta did his final explosion on him he wasen't at full power yet he almost killed him so at full power i'm sure he or goku could have killed him with that attack

Buu came back laughing. Vegeta's attack didn't "almost kill him."

[Darkprince410]

When vegeta did his final explosion on him he wasen't at full power yet he almost killed him so at full power i'm sure he or goku could have killed him with that attack

All it did though was blow him into pieces, which really isn't that impressive of a feat. There wasn't any indication that, even if he had been at full strength when he used it, he would have been able to do legitimate damage to him.

[Strife1]

When vegeta did his final explosion on him he wasen't at full power yet he almost killed him so at full power i'm sure he or goku could have killed him with that attack

All it did though was blow him into pieces, which really isn't that impressive of a feat. There wasn't any indication that, even if he had been at full strength when he used it, he would have been able to do legitimate damage to him.

The attack definitely was his full strength.
Final, Last Attack
First Appearance: Chapter 467
Category: ki manipulation
People: Vegeta
Special Characteristics: Vegeta brought this out in order to defeat Majin Buu (good) in exchange for his own life. It’s the ultimate self-destruction technique, which explodes all the energy in his body, enveloping the opponent. It creates a crater-shaped depression with a 1 kilometer diameter around the user, and had enough frightful destructive power to affect the Earth. (Daizenshuu 2, p.216)

Anyways, even though Piccolo said three Ssj2's wouldn't be enough to defeat him, maybe they could with the usage of Senzu beans? We see Kid Boo beat Fat Boo, a depowred one, but a Boo nonetheless, nearly to death. Why wouldn't three Saiyans be able to do the same thing? With enough Stamina, effort, and time, it's possible they could beat Boo to death. Hell, after Kid Boo defeated Majin Boo, Vegeat, in base, was ready to destroy him. He seemed confident in himself.

[RandomGuy96]

Because fatso would just one-shot all the Saiyans if he felt like it? It's also rather presumptuous to assume that their attacks will even hurt him.

[Kamiccolo9]

Because fatso would just one-shot all the Saiyans if he felt like it? It's also rather presumptuous to assume that their attacks will even hurt him.

Didn't he tell Vegeta that one of his attacks hurt him? I'm pretty sure Buu said that when he did that big explosion wave thingy.

[RandomGuy96]

He said that Vegeta's Atomic Blast (I think that's what it's called) "hurt a little bit... heh heh". Given that it was presumably the strongest non-suicide attack from the strongest SS2, fatso probably wasn't even at the strength he used against Goku, and it just barley hurt him, I wouldn't give the three of them good chances against him... actually, they shouldn't have any chance.

[Kamiccolo9]

He said that Vegeta's Atomic Blast (I think that's what it's called) "hurt a little bit... heh heh". Given that it was presumably the strongest non-suicide attack from the strongest SS2, fatso probably wasn't even at the strength he used against Goku, and it just barley hurt him, I wouldn't give the three of them good chances against him... actually, they shouldn't have any chance.

I'm not saying that they have a chance. I was just responding to your statement that "it's also rather presumptuous to assume that their attacks will even hurt him," seeing as, we have at least one instance in the manga where one did.

[RandomGuy96]

It seems that the previous poster was talking about the idea of wearing him down with a barrage, not taking him out with a few big attacks. I was saying that their normal punches and blasts wouldn't hurt him. I don't think their biggest ones would either, not after he gets pissed again against Vegeta.

[Bullza]

Goku, Bills, Vegeta, Gohan, Gotenks, Kid Buu vs Whis

[Polyphase Avatron]

Goku, Bills, Vegeta, Gohan, Gotenks, Kid Buu vs Whis

Whis

[KentalSSJ6]

Goku, Bills, Vegeta, Gohan, Gotenks, Kid Buu vs Whis

Seeing as Whis is able to one shot a person who can apparently own Super Vegito, I think its safe to say that Whis is in End of GT territory in terms of strength, up there with Omega and SSJ4 Gogeta possibly.

[TheGmGoken]

Goku, Bills, Vegeta, Gohan, Gotenks, Kid Buu vs Whis

Whis. Easily

[Kid Buu]

What makes Piccolo weaker than Goten/Trunks again?

Piccolo Vs Kid Trunks I guess

[RandomGuy96]

-They're both clearly mastered Super Saiyans.
-Goten and Trunks give Gohan and pre-power-up Vegeta some trouble in sparring, while there's a humongous gap between them and Piccolo. Gohan/Vegeta actually sweat and exert effort, and Vegeta felt so threatened that he actually hit Trunks to get to him to stop. And even though it was a reactive punch that Vegeta later felt sorry about, Trunks took no damage, it just hurt.
-When Goten and Trunks reveal their full strength, Piccolo freaks out. Goku, noticeably, does not.
-D7 and the Chonzenshu(?) state that Goten "possess a battle power not the least bit inferior to even Gohan".
-When Buu has seemingly killed everyone else, Piccolo says Goten and Trunks are the Earth's last hope, though a slim hope. Not him. This is before he learns about fusion.

Trunks wins. Fast forward to the EOZ, however, and Piccolo probably stomps Trunks (he should be on par power-wise by that point, and he's a lot more skilled).

[TheGmGoken]

Goten(gt) vs Pre Mjin Vegeta Boo arc Vegeta

[KentalSSJ6]

Goten(gt) vs Pre Mjin Vegeta Boo arc Vegeta

Didnt Goten give Vegeta a beating when possessed by Bebi?