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Annoying things people say about DB/Z (No repetitions)

Post by KameRule » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:01 pm

Have you ever been in a conversation with someone, or seen someone's internet post, and they say something that really irritates you about DBZ? Misconception? Cliché? Embarrassing mistake? Anything that pops up repeatedly, and it really gets on your nerves, put it here. As for me, I hate it when people say DB/Z is mindless violence - it's not true. All of the series is cleverly written, all with hidden meaning and flow. When someone is too ignorant to notice it, that really gets to me. Also, you can't repeat anyone else's posts. That's the golden rule here.
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Post by OmegaRockman » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:17 pm

I hate the whole "It takes five episodes to charge an attack" thing, especially when Naruto fans use it as an argument as to why their favorite series is better than DBZ. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of good reasons why these fans enjoy Naruto, but using the pacing argument to defend Naruto is bull. It's one thing for the Naruto fans to enjoy the story and characters more, but I've watched the Naruto anime (at least, I watched it until a little after
and switched the manga from there until
before dropping it completely) and it's pacing is a lot worse than DBZ's ever was; I'd take padded fights of DBZ over the sheer amount of flashbacks and pointless filler arcs in Naruto any day. Even the manga got too tedious for me after a certain point and led to my vowing to not pick it up again until it ends. Again, there's a lot to like about Naruto and I can see why people might like it more than DB, but saying that DBZ's pacing is worse than Naruto's is not a great argument since it's just as bad if not worse.
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Post by Weejus » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:50 am

People say to me that it's just people screaming at each other non stop and that it has no depth, sometimes even comparing it to The Walking Dead. Of course DBZ isn't as deep or thought-provoking as that, but something doesn't need depth to be enjoyable.

On an unrelated note, are you the same KameRule from the ONM forum?

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Post by KameRule » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:02 pm

Weejus wrote:People say to me that it's just people screaming at each other non stop and that it has no depth, sometimes even comparing it to The Walking Dead. Of course DBZ isn't as deep or thought-provoking as that, but something doesn't need depth to be enjoyable.

On an unrelated note, are you the same KameRule from the ONM forum?
Yes.... though I don't imagine there are many other DBZ obsessed KameRules on the internet. But who are YOU?
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Post by sintzu » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:10 pm

It has no story

It has no charecter development

The fights are boring

It has nothing to do with how the big anime of today are (even though thire creatores have said that it does)
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Post by sintzu » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:14 pm

OmegaRockman wrote:I hate the whole "It takes five episodes to charge an attack" thing, especially when Naruto fans use it as an argument as to why their favorite series is better than DBZ. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of good reasons why these fans enjoy Naruto, but using the pacing argument to defend Naruto is bull. It's one thing for the Naruto fans to enjoy the story and characters more, but I've watched the Naruto anime (at least, I watched it until a little after
and switched the manga from there until
before dropping it completely) and it's pacing is a lot worse than DBZ's ever was; I'd take padded fights of DBZ over the sheer amount of flashbacks and pointless filler arcs in Naruto any day. Even the manga got too tedious for me after a certain point and led to my vowing to not pick it up again until it ends. Again, there's a lot to like about Naruto and I can see why people might like it more than DB, but saying that DBZ's pacing is worse than Naruto's is not a great argument since it's just as bad if not worse.
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Post by Weejus » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:02 pm

KameRule wrote:Yes.... though I don't imagine there are many other DBZ obsessed KameRules on the internet. But who are YOU?
I am Marioman5000 (I made that name years ago when I was naïve and stupid...don't judge) on the ONM forum, whom you may recognise by the Vegetto icon. I'm hardly on the ONM forum anymore though. Kanzenshuu is actually the only forum I visit frequently.

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Post by DemonRin » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:41 pm

I hate the frequency by which I will be talking to someone on another forum (Like the Arlong Park One Piece forums) and I'll run into someone who defends the dub of DBZ. Which in-and-of itself isn't a problem, people are entitled to their opinions and that's a valid opinion to have.... but then I'll turn around and see the SAME EXACT PEOPLE bitching about the quality of much more accurate modern dubs, ESPECIALLY The new FUNimation One Piece Dub.
When you see people bitch to no end about FUNimation (being forced by Toei,) changing Arlong's "Shark On Darts" to "Shark Darts" and then turn around and defend "Special Beam Cannon" as a translation of "Makankosappo" it REALLY Causes me to pull out my hair. I know Nostalgia Goggles are powerful, but damn...

Also, somewhat minor, but seeing people make complaints about the One Piece dub reusing some DB Actors (Piccolo/Vegeta/Yamucha is Zoro, Krillin is Usopp, Trunks is Sanji, Kai Gohan is Luffy, Kai Pu'erh is Chopper etc) and saying this makes the Japanese version better annoys me too considering the Japanese version does the exact same thing (Luffy is Krillin, Ace is Piccolo, Kureha is Son Goku, Pilaf/Raditz is Buggy, Freeza is Caesar Clown and this isn't DB but Chopper is freaking PIKACHU)
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Post by DoomieDoomie911 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:29 pm

Weejus wrote:People say to me that it's just people screaming at each other non stop and that it has no depth, sometimes even comparing it to The Walking Dead. Of course DBZ isn't as deep or thought-provoking as that, but something doesn't need depth to be enjoyable.
Not to steer way off topic or anything, but I don't think The Walking Dead has that much depth itself... Going back to the topic, I can't stand it when people say they don't like the Japanese version because Goku's not voiced by a man. :roll:
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Post by TheOverlyMadHatter » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:52 pm

Misinformed stuff along the lines of "Toriyama said the Fr(i)eza Saga was supposed to be the real end of DBZ, and that Goku was supposed to die in the planet's explosion!" who then have nothing to say when you ask them for a source or "Broly would wreck the shit out of 'Bills'". Or just them using "Bills" in general, which is somewhat irrational of me when that's the spelling fans have used since his reveal, but come on... We finally have an official way to spell it!
Weejus wrote:People say to me that it's just people screaming at each other non stop and that it has no depth, sometimes even comparing it to The Walking Dead. Of course DBZ isn't as deep or thought-provoking as that, but something doesn't need depth to be enjoyable.
Hm... Not really related to the topic, but, while I do find The Walking Dead to be a somewhat fun show to watch, I think the positive acclaim it's received, including the idea that it is a "deep" show, is only due the fact that it came out as a TV series during a time where Zombies were pretty much one of the biggest fictitious trends in pop-culture.

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Post by B » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:50 pm

Failing to understand the protagonist, Son Goku. Two big ones that umbrella into that would be "Why is Raditz, Goku's bother, so unimportant?" and "Goku is a terrible father." Really, they're complaints that stem from people who can't or won't immerse themselves in the Dragon World, very different from ours, or really "participate" in the story being told, if that makes any sense. It's faulting Goku, and Dragon Ball, for things he's/it's not trying to do or be. Because at the end of the day, Goku and Dragon Ball are synonymous anyway. It's essence exudes from all that he does and is. The tone of the series almost always mirrors where Goku's head is at.

There was a thread, or possibly even an off-topic tangent in a thread, debating whether or not Raditz should've been Goku's brother, or if the two being related "offered anything" to the series as a whole. I honestly feel like that question would not cross the mind of anyone who didn't place unwarranted importance on their bloodline.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:05 am

Misinformed stuff along the lines of "Toriyama said the Fr(i)eza Saga was supposed to be the real end of DBZ, and that Goku was supposed to die in the planet's explosion!" who then have nothing to say when you ask them for a source or "Broly would wreck the shit out of 'Bills'". Or just them using "Bills" in general, which is somewhat irrational of me when that's the spelling fans have used since his reveal, but come on... We finally have an official way to spell it!
Agreed. Misconceptions and rumors are WAY too common in the fandom. Some (Bardock being a 'good guy', Goku holding back on Buu to give Vegeta a turn, Vegeta wouldn't have been that bad of a guy if not for Freeza) are understandable, since they were supported by the dub, but others are just pulled out of nowhere (Broly getting stronger every second for no reason, Toriyama wanting to end the story after Freeza, Cold being able to transform and being stronger than [insert powerful character] in his final form, etc.) are just pulled out of nowhere. And if you ask someone perpetuating a rumor for a source or any kind of evidence, they usually just respond by getting angry and defensive and lashing out.
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Post by superkakarrot2 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:28 am

Anytime anyone says anything against the Japanese version makes me cringe. I get it you don't like Goku's voice...

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Post by JackyBoi99 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:23 am

When people say that the funimation dub is the definitive way to watch dragon ball.
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Post by El Diabeetus » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:55 am

When people are like 'It's Say-yan' whenever someone uses 'Sigh-yan' for Saiyan. I know it's due to FUNimation mispronouncing it since day 1. But, gets annoying when people don't know what the hell they're talking about and try to correct someone for using a pronunciation that actually keeps the pun that Saiyan has. I remember people flipping shit on the DBZ: for Kinect trailer because the guy pronounced Saiyan correctly.

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Post by Looneygamemaster » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:54 pm

Anytime anyone says anything against the Japanese version makes me cringe. I get it you don't like Goku's voice...
So...it annoys you if any criticism is made against the Japanese cast? If that's true, I hope you don't mind me saying that I think that's silly. Nothing's above criticism.

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Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:57 pm

I get annoyed when people say "Dragon Ball Z is for boys only" when female fans admit to liking it. Granted DBZ is supposed to be for teenage boys, but it's not fair to judge a girl for liking things for guys and guys liking things that appeal to girls.

It's like me saying "Sailor Moon is for girls only" towards male fans who love the show.

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Post by Vice » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:05 pm

MediaFanGirl93 wrote: It's like me saying "Sailor Moon is for girls only" towards male fans who love the show.
I would assume those male fans love the show for a different reason.

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Post by KameRule » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:10 pm

Looneygamemaster wrote:
Anytime anyone says anything against the Japanese version makes me cringe. I get it you don't like Goku's voice...
So...it annoys you if any criticism is made against the Japanese cast? If that's true, I hope you don't mind me saying that I think that's silly. Nothing's above criticism.
Well I think we can still all agree that Japanese Goten is adorable.
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Post by Ajay » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:15 pm

Looneygamemaster wrote:
Anytime anyone says anything against the Japanese version makes me cringe. I get it you don't like Goku's voice...
So...it annoys you if any criticism is made against the Japanese cast? If that's true, I hope you don't mind me saying that I think that's silly. Nothing's above criticism.
I assume he means invalid, ignorant or ill-explained criticisms towards the cast.

I know that I find it hard to take someone seriously if they go off on a rant about 'how Goku should sound manly' and 'not like a girl'. It just presents a fundamental misunderstanding of the character and the series.

Take issue with aspects of the performance - screams, line delivery, whatever. Do it in detail and with finesse and everything is fine and dandy.
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