How strong is Base Vegetto?

[hleV]

I had written a long and detailed post about multiplications, but in the end decided that it's not worth it. All we know for a (manga-specific) fact is that a fusion result is greater than just the sum of powers. Everything else is anyone's guess, really.

• Does "as tremendous as a multiplication" mean:
  
  • A × B (in whatever units);
  • some kind of formula which involves mutiplication, like (A + B) × 2;
  • the real formula is unknown but the result appears as if the multiplication was done?
• Does "Goku × Vegeta = Vegetto" mean:
  
  • a mathematical formula, where Goku's power is multiplied by Vegeta's power (in whatever units);
  • that Goku crossed/fused with Vegeta makes Vegetto?
• Does the usage of term "battle power" in the context mean:
  
  • that fusion uses that measurement system;
  • that the result of fusion appears as if this measurement system was used;
  • has nothing to do with anything?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

You're thinking to deeply into it. We all know Toriyama isn't the type of author to plan that far ahead.

I'm not looking deeply to it at all. The Potara just make the couple many times stronger, it's very simple (and also stated indirectly in SEG, the manga/anime, and directly in Daizenshuu 10), and also makes the result stronger than it would be if the couple had used Fusion, that's all we know, and that's all we need to know. There is just nowhere that it says that Vegetto's BP = Goku's BP x Vegeta's BP, and that this is the formula of the Potara. Nowhere, anywhere, ever. Except if you want to see it like that.

[TheGmGoken]

you can't multiply with something that isn't a number with something that isn't a number. There is not 1 ki, 2 ki, or 1.000 ki. There is a ki someone has, and it has a specific size. You can't multiply one's ki with another's, just like you can't multiply 2 doors, 2 cats, 2 hands, or 2 people together. That's the 1st reason it doesn't make any sense.

You're putting waaay to much thought into the fact Ki does not have a number. Before people used numbers for every math problem. What you think they used Multiplication with? They used sticks and stones. They kept adding 2 sticks to make the original 2 sticks 4. Then they added more for 6 sticks. Then more for 8 sticks.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'm not putting way too much though to it, I just put thought. If you think about it even to the slightest, you will see that it doesn't make sense.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm not putting way too much though to it, I just put thought. If you think about it even to the slightest, you will see that it doesn't make sense.

I thought about it EVERYTIME a fusion(Whatever it's the dance or Potara) is brought up. It doesn't have to be literal multiplication. It can be exponents, A+B x 2, or just a random power up. Ki doesn't have to be a number to multiply them. If you think that then SSJ isn't a multiplier. How would a transformation multiply ki by 50x if ki doesn't have the number.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I thought about it EVERYTIME a fusion(Whatever it's the dance or Potara) is brought up. It doesn't have to be literal multiplication. It can be exponents, A+B x 2, or just a random power up. Ki doesn't have to be a number to multiply them. If you think that then SSJ isn't a multiplier. How would a transformation multiply ki by 50x if ki doesn't have the number.

That's what I've been saying all the time, it can't be literal multiplication. I'm not saying that (A + B) x 5 = C for example doesn't make sense, this does make sense. We have an increase by 5 times in this example. If we multiply a fish by 50, we will get 50 fishes, but we can't multiply a fish with a fish.

[hleV]

But we can multiply, for instance, fish weight. If two fishes weight 500g, it's 500 × 500. Same could go for power, the bigger question is what measurement system to use.

[TheGmGoken]

I thought about it EVERYTIME a fusion(Whatever it's the dance or Potara) is brought up. It doesn't have to be literal multiplication. It can be exponents, A+B x 2, or just a random power up. Ki doesn't have to be a number to multiply them. If you think that then SSJ isn't a multiplier. How would a transformation multiply ki by 50x if ki doesn't have the number.

That's what I've been saying all the time, it can't be literal multiplication. I'm not saying that (A + B) x 5 = C for example doesn't make sense, this does make sense. We have an increase by 5 times in this example. If we multiply a fish by 50, we will get 50 fishes, but we can't multiply a fish with a fish.

A+B is the same as A X 2 since Vegeta and Goku was equal when they fused. So either way it's multiplication. How does your way make more sense? A+B x 5. How we know how much ki A and B got if Ki isn't a number. Why can we put a number of Ki for addition but not multiplication. Unless you mean combine the Ki in each other body. How about you multiply TWO fishes by 50. You'll get 100 fishes. Because you just adding 50 more fishes.

[khalildh]

But we can multiply, for instance, fish weight. If two fishes weight 500g, it's 500 × 500. Same could go for power, the bigger question is what measurement system to use.

I could be misunderstanding this post, but you are ignoring the units in your multiplication. 500g x 500 (fish) = 250,000 grams of fish. 500g x 500g = 250,000g^2 , which doesn't really represent anything.

[Kingsley]

Even in the anime Boohan was treating his fight against Base Vegetto as a joke and wasn't worried until Vegetto transformed. Boohan>Base Vegetto, even in the anime.

[TheGmGoken]

Even in the anime Boohan was treating his fight against Base Vegetto as a joke and wasn't worried until Vegetto transformed. Boohan>Base Vegetto, even in the anime.

Boohan was getting destroyed by Vegetto and Vegetoo blocked a lot of Boohan's attacks. Boo even admired and said Vegetto was toying with him(ENg dub)

[RandomGuy96]

Actually, he implied he wasn't taking it seriously and said that he (Buuhan) was still stronger than Vegetto, something like "you can't seriously think you've surpassed me". Then Vegetto says something like "okay, then why don't I show you?" and transforms. Which implies that Vegetto agrees with him.

[TheGmGoken]

Actually, he implied he wasn't taking it seriously ans said that he (Buuhan) was still stronger than Vegetto, something like "you can't seriously think you've surpassed me". Then Vegetto says something like "okay, then why don't I show you?" and transforms. Which implies that Vegetto agrees with him.

Well..I did say English dub

[Origibros]

I have him very slightly under Buuhan; but low enough for it t be a close rivalry when I use the Anime for a reference.

As for the Manga, again I have to say he's weaker than Buuhan, but as a SSJ he humiliates Buuhan.

[Kakashi]

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

I still have Vegetto>Buuhan

[The Monkey King]

At the minimum I have him as strong as SSJ3 Goku.

[Cetra]

Considering Vegeto stands for absolute perfection (sorry, Cell) with that rival harmony resulting in the ultimate warrior I would say he is in any form stronger than the Demonic Entity Boo. Even if he does not go all out in his base form and then transforms instead to completely destroy him. On the other hand he needed to power up in the anime again when Boo was about to shatter the dimensions so I can't really say. I think it is not really defined, just that he is the strongest.

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

I mean if SSJ Vegetto is equal to a SSJ4 Goku, then what is SSJ4 Goku divided by 50? That's close to SSJ2 goku in GT right? From what I Recall, SSJ multipliers are 50x, 2x, 4x then 10x. So SSJ4 is 4,000 times stronger than base form. Divided by 50 is 80... so that means Base Vegetto is a bit weaker than SSJ2 GT Goku. But now, what is Buuhan equal to?

[Cetra]

I never was convinced by the multipliers. I think every transformation is just made with the thought "he is now even stronger than before".

Ultimate Boo probably was around the Saiyajin-power up Baby level, that was only shown for a few seconds before he used the first Revenge Death Ball (the one where he still looks a bit more like Vegeta but with Baby's vest). However, this is just an assumption. I don't know for sure. Maybe Ultimate Boo would have been no match for Goku, Vegeta and Gohan at all. They became very strong in 20 years.