As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
I still vote for the Toribot.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
I have another idea.
How about instead of the next villain being the ordinary human size that Goku can fight one on one with martial arts they have a gigantic being that towers over skyscrapers and makes Goku look like an ant. They haven't had anything like that in the canon and outside of it they had the monster from Wrath of the Dragon but that was an unintelligent being that wasn't that tall.
Something like this.
How about instead of the next villain being the ordinary human size that Goku can fight one on one with martial arts they have a gigantic being that towers over skyscrapers and makes Goku look like an ant. They haven't had anything like that in the canon and outside of it they had the monster from Wrath of the Dragon but that was an unintelligent being that wasn't that tall.
Something like this.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
Uh.....*cough* Ooazaru Vegeta *cough*
Its kinda hard to think of new vilians for DBZ, as Akira has used like every possible thing you could do or come up with. But I doubt we couldn't come up with something.
Its kinda hard to think of new vilians for DBZ, as Akira has used like every possible thing you could do or come up with. But I doubt we couldn't come up with something.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
We've had plenty of giant villains: Giant Piccolo, Oozaru Vegeta, Giant Slug, Core Metal Coola, Giant Hildegarn, Giant Bio-Broli, Hildegarn, Lood, Oozaru Baby, and Qi Xing Long.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
I think he probably means something like Galactus dimensions.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:We've had plenty of giant villains: Giant Piccolo, Oozaru Vegeta, Giant Slug, Core Metal Coola, Giant Hildegarn, Giant Bio-Broli, Hildegarn, Lood, Oozaru Baby, and Qi Xing Long.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
He had a giant from Attack of Titan as an example.Cetra wrote:I think he probably means something like Galactus dimensions.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:We've had plenty of giant villains: Giant Piccolo, Oozaru Vegeta, Giant Slug, Core Metal Coola, Giant Hildegarn, Giant Bio-Broli, Hildegarn, Lood, Oozaru Baby, and Qi Xing Long.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
I don't know if that's his actual idea or really just one example. In Marvel vs Capcom the size-relations for the character and Galactus also do not fit.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: He had a giant from Attack of Titan as an example.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
Yeah the ones that were mentioned were only half a dozen stories tall, not to mention the fact that nearly all of them weren't even canon.
I'm talking something huge like Godzilla. That would step on these other "giants" and not even notice.
Or perhaps taken to extreme measures and be like this
If they made a villain like that then I could definitely see that as being an adversary on the next level. It'd be displaying an enemy based more on his physical appearance so you'd just have to look at him to know he's the strongest yet.
So something like the Attack on Titan Colossul Titan just much much bigger.
I'm talking something huge like Godzilla. That would step on these other "giants" and not even notice.
Or perhaps taken to extreme measures and be like this
If they made a villain like that then I could definitely see that as being an adversary on the next level. It'd be displaying an enemy based more on his physical appearance so you'd just have to look at him to know he's the strongest yet.
So something like the Attack on Titan Colossul Titan just much much bigger.
Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
Now that is no problem in Dragon Ball.Bullza wrote:... not to mention the fact that nearly all of them weren't even canon.
However, normally ginormous enemies in Dragon Ball are shown to say size does not necessarily matter as there are others which are stronger. Only a few are an exception.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
I know Toriyama made it a thing where the smaller character is usually the stronger guy like with Vegeta and Nappa but that'd be a completely different thing from what I'd mean. It'd allow for a villain to be intimidating and powerful for different reasons, from a visual perspective.
All these aliens, demons and gods and they're all of humanoid shape suitable for one on one combat. They'd be able to come up with different kinds of fights this way.
All these aliens, demons and gods and they're all of humanoid shape suitable for one on one combat. They'd be able to come up with different kinds of fights this way.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
The is no canon. And does it really matter?Bullza wrote:not to mention the fact that nearly all of them weren't even canon.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
Well there is a canon but it seems like on this site people like to think that there isn't so yes it matters because they aren't canon and more importantly as I said they weren't as big as what I meant.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The is no canon. And does it really matter?Bullza wrote:not to mention the fact that nearly all of them weren't even canon.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
Do you have a statement of someone from Shueisha, Toei, Bandai Namco, or even Toriyama that says "this is canon and this isn't canon"?Bullza wrote:Well there is a canon but it seems like on this site people like to think that there isn't
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
No, there is not. Canonicity is defined by legal owners of a brand, so both the states "canonical" and "not-canonical" and that does not happen in Dragon Ball. It is undefined. Only a few things are self-explanatory.Bullza wrote: Well there is a canon ...
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
Bullza wrote:Yeah the ones that were mentioned were only half a dozen stories tall, not to mention the fact that nearly all of them weren't even canon.
I'm talking something huge like Godzilla. That would step on these other "giants" and not even notice.
Or perhaps taken to extreme measures and be like this
If they made a villain like that then I could definitely see that as being an adversary on the next level. It'd be displaying an enemy based more on his physical appearance so you'd just have to look at him to know he's the strongest yet.
So something like the Attack on Titan Colossul Titan just much much bigger.
You do realize thats not really the size of Millennium Godzilla right?
He's really only slighter taller than the average building
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
This isn't something that I'm going to go into because it's got nothing to do with the topic but Toriyama has rightfully ignored the events of GT completely with his Dragon Ball Online timeline.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Do you have a statement of someone from Shueisha, Toei, Bandai Namco, or even Toriyama that says "this is canon and this isn't canon"?Bullza wrote:Well there is a canon but it seems like on this site people like to think that there isn't
At least as far as Toriyama is concerned Dragon Ball GT is not a part of his story. The movies he has said take place in an alternate dimension meaning they also do not take part in his story. The movie characters would not exist in Toriyama's story, the movie characters do show up in Dragon Ball GT which means that it would also take place in this alternate dimension and not the main (canon) story.
Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
Its always fascinating to see fans trying to justify their comment with some logic that does not exist in the fictional universe they are talking about - or logic that is also not followed in our universe because of humans being fallible. Akira Toriyama does not think about every single element that was ever made - also not by him - everytime he comments something.
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It doesn't really matter it was just an example.You do realize thats not really the size of Millennium Godzilla right?
He's really only slighter taller than the average building.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
That is by no means solid proof that Toriyama wanted to ignore GT. The entire project was forced to exclude anime exclusive content because the game developer was only able to get the rights to the manga, though they wanted them for all of it.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:This isn't something that I'm going to go into because it's got nothing to do with the topic but Toriyama has rightfully ignored the events of GT completely with his Dragon Ball Online timeline.Bullza wrote:Do you have a statement of someone from Shueisha, Toei, Bandai Namco, or even Toriyama that says "this is canon and this isn't canon"?
Not to mention that DBO has now be ousted from fitting in with Toriyama's more recent material. So now I guess DBO is the "GT" of the manga...
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?
Its more like original content than canon.