The only multipliers that we have are for Oozaru (base x10), Super Saiyan (base x50), Super Saiyan 2 (base x100), and Super Saiyan 3 (base x400). Super Saiyan 4, and any other form that I didn't mention, doesn't have an official multiplier.AGentlemanSaiyan wrote:I mean if SSJ Vegetto is equal to a SSJ4 Goku, then what is SSJ4 Goku divided by 50? That's close to SSJ2 goku in GT right? From what I Recall, SSJ multipliers are 50x, 2x, 4x then 10x. So SSJ4 is 4,000 times stronger than base form. Divided by 50 is 80... so that means Base Vegetto is a bit weaker than SSJ2 GT Goku. But now, what is Buuhan equal to?
How strong is Base Vegetto?
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Definitely don't think he's stronger than Buuhan otherwise he wouldn't have bothered transforming in the first place.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Personally, I believe that he is slightly stronger than Gohan Boo, so he wasn't strong enough to humiliate Boo & force him to absorb him.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
It depends on how much stronger the Super Saiyan form is compared to base and whether Supreme Kai was lying or not. otherwise BOG Freeza > Base Saiyan's including base Vegito. Don't mention other movies as they are alternate verses.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Base Vegetto is without a doubt stronger than Freeza. I doubt you will find anyone who says otherwise.Friezacooler wrote:It depends on how much stronger the Super Saiyan form is compared to base and whether Supreme Kai was lying or not. otherwise BOG Freeza > Base Saiyan's including base Vegito. Don't mention other movies as they are alternate verses.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Freeza would probably ask Veggetto where the nearest sun was so he could fly into it.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Super Saiyan is 50x of base power, and no, it's not the same for fused and unfused character when we compere them to Frieza...Friezacooler wrote:It depends on how much stronger the Super Saiyan form is compared to base and whether Supreme Kai was lying or not. otherwise BOG Freeza > Base Saiyan's including base Vegito. Don't mention other movies as they are alternate verses.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
what form was Goku in When he was pointing at Supreme kai, to move out of the way vs Majin Vegeta in Manga?Super Vegetto wrote:Super Saiyan is 50x of base power, and no, it's not the same for fused and unfused character when we compere them to Freeza...Friezacooler wrote:It depends on how much stronger the Super Saiyan form is compared to base and whether Supreme Kai was lying or not. otherwise BOG Freeza > Base Saiyan's including base Vegito. Don't mention other movies as they are alternate verses.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
SSJ1. Please tell me your not about to pull the "Kaioshin are 1000 times stronger than Freeza bit."Friezacooler wrote:what form was Goku in When he was pointing at Supreme kai, to move out of the way vs Majin Vegeta?Super Vegetto wrote:Super Saiyan is 50x of base power, and no, it's not the same for fused and unfused character when we compere them to Freeza...Friezacooler wrote:It depends on how much stronger the Super Saiyan form is compared to base and whether Supreme Kai was lying or not. otherwise BOG Freeza > Base Saiyan's including base Vegito. Don't mention other movies as they are alternate verses.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
There's no real way to know if he is stronger or not. You could argue that he went SSJ because he was weaker, but the thing is he didn't know his power himself. Best option was to go SSJ right away.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Even if he was, what form of Freeza is it that the universe was aware of? The first one. 1000x stronger than 530,000 is 530,000,000. Well stronger than any base Saiyan and Freeza's final form, but definitely weaker than a Super Saiyan by the time of the Buu Arc.Friezacooler wrote:SSJ1. Please tell me your not about to pull the "Kaioshin are 1000 times stronger than Freeza bit."KentalSSJ6 wrote:what form was Goku in When he was pointing at Supreme kai, to move out of the way vs Majin Vegeta?
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Why would it matter ?Friezacooler wrote:what form was Goku in When he was pointing at Supreme kai, to move out of the way vs Majin Vegeta in Manga?Super Vegetto wrote:Super Saiyan is 50x of base power, and no, it's not the same for fused and unfused character when we compere them to Freeza...Friezacooler wrote:It depends on how much stronger the Super Saiyan form is compared to base and whether Supreme Kai was lying or not. otherwise BOG Freeza > Base Saiyan's including base Vegito. Don't mention other movies as they are alternate verses.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Either way, the Kaioshin = Freeza x1000 is a stupid dub line. Kaioshin only said that he can beat Freeza with one hand, and since he is stronger than Piccolo, he is also undoubtedly stronger than the base Saiyans.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Even if he was, what form of Freeza is it that the universe was aware of? The first one. 1000x stronger than 530,000 is 530,000,000. Well stronger than any base Saiyan and Freeza's final form, but definitely weaker than a Super Saiyan by the time of the Buu Arc.Friezacooler wrote:SSJ1. Please tell me your not about to pull the "Kaioshin are 1000 times stronger than Freeza bit."KentalSSJ6 wrote:what form was Goku in When he was pointing at Supreme kai, to move out of the way vs Majin Vegeta?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
I have Base Vegetto equal to Base Vegeta BP x Base Goku BP like the SEG suggests. That alone puts him way above Gohan Buu. From the SEG:
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That just says "Goku X Vegeta = Vegetto". The "X" could mean "cross", like "Dragon Ball X One Piece X Toriko".
There is another image that says "Goten + Trunks = Gotenks", and has a statement that Gotenks is many times stronger than Goten & Trunks on their own.
There is another image that says "Goten + Trunks = Gotenks", and has a statement that Gotenks is many times stronger than Goten & Trunks on their own.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Potara = Unknown (Rival Boost if fusee's are rivals).DBZGTKOSDH wrote:That just says "Goku X Vegeta = Vegetto". The "X" could mean "cross", like "Dragon Ball X One Piece X Toriko".
There is another image that says "Goten + Trunks = Gotenks", and has a statement that Gotenks is many times stronger than Goten & Trunks on their own.
Fusion Dance = Unknown X Many Tens.
Thats all we got at the moment sadly. Really wish we got more detailed information.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
I disagree about the "rival boost". Rou Kaioshin's comment always sounded like he meant that since they are rivals, they are equals, and more compatible.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Potara = Unknown (Rival Boost if fusee's are rivals).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
I am sure it means perfect warrior in both ways, the strongest (even stronger than Gokhan who has a better fusion component with Gohan in Z) and the harmony of "Yin and Yang" because Yin Yang does result in not only the perfect one in terms of person but here the strongest fusion (which is why I do not differ Gogeta and Vegeto's power).DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I disagree about the "rival boost". Rou Kaioshin's comment always sounded like he meant that since they are rivals, they are equals, and more compatible.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Potara = Unknown (Rival Boost if fusee's are rivals).
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Actually, it pretty much HAS to be referring to them being rivals in power, because Old Kai doesn't know Vegeta's personality.
Except that's wrong. It's outright stated the Potara's power-up is greater than the dance's.(which is why I do not differ Gogeta and Vegeto's power).
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Old Kai can see whatever he wants (that perv) as we know so he can watch them. He watched them after the fusion and probably also during their argument. Also Kaioshins can read minds, so probably he knows from Kibitoshin (or he told him) or whatever. Many possibilities are given.RandomGuy96 wrote:Actually, it pretty much HAS to be referring to them being rivals in power, because Old Kai doesn't know Vegeta's personality.
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