Buu Saga Kai

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Blade » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:17 am

Just out of interest if anyone here actually watches Toriko - how did it end? Did they just wrap up the current storyline or leave it hanging?

I'm just wondering how final the resolution to Toriko actually is, as correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think its future has been entirely disclosed. Whilst that isn't unusual in a culture like Japan where corporations like to save face, not dwell on their failings and quietly sweep things under the rug, I get the faint impression that there's a real possibility that Toei are choosing to air Kai in order to give them time to give Toriko a bit of a shake-up, having previously had no intention to do anything with it other than sell it overseas.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by SSJ3_Zack » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:24 am

I really want to watch the first episode of the Boo Saga live, what time will it be premiering in Japan? I'm going to have to multi-task by watching Kai and WrestleMania at the same time. :lol:

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Marco Polo » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:55 am

It's green because this time the Androids have won. Gero's computer has overthrown the planet and plugged everyone into the Matrix.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by kei17 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:01 am

Speaking of the strange tint, a similar thing happened with BoG, too. The masters Mexico, Brazil, and Italia got have a green tint in the footage for some reason. Maybe this was caused by Toei's video editing equipment and the actual show looks different.


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Post by Cold Skin » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:29 am

I don't have an expert eye for tints and such, and it might be just psychological because people are talking about it here, but...
Since I'm watching Kai to prepare for the Boo arc, and I'm watching it as originally aired on TV, it does seem to me that it also has that very subtle green tint too (though maybe more subtle than what we see with the Boo trailers), which is absent from the final disc releases.

So it's a wild guess, but that slightly-green tint might be there when it's aired through the channel's own display process and not when the proper masters are directly encoded to a DVD and Blu-ray. On the other hand, one of those trailers comes from Toei Animation's own Youtube channel... Perhaps they re-balance the color saturation and hues when it's time to put the "final, perfect public version" on discs and on sale?

But again, I'm no expert, it's just that I do think I can see that green tint on the "recorded directly from the TV channel" version and not on the 4:3 Blu-ray shots you guys seem to show, but it might be just an illusion due to the conversations around here. So it's just hypothetical, but the TV version could be different in tone and hues than the final Blu-ray release...

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Post by Flame Dragon » Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:40 am

Even with the green tint, i'd say it still looks gorgeous.
Maybe they will fix it in the DVDs.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:32 am

kei17 wrote:I don't like their choice of characters, too. Only the Saiyans and Piccolo? Why? There are many more nice characters in the Buu arc. This "we need only the badass strong guys" kind of tendency has been getting more and more obvious since Dragon Ball Heroes debuted. I miss the more atmosphere-centered directions until GT.
They show the active Z-Senshi, which is what they do almost all the time in the openings (except the DB & 2nd GT openings, which only have Goku, and the last DBZ opening which has friends & family included).
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:00 am

sangofe wrote:Is that new animation? If so it's really close to the old style!
It's a mix of Dragon Ball Z animation and the footage from the new Opening.
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Post by MagicBox » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:17 am

As long as the footage (for both the show and "Battle Of Gods") comes to home video without the tint, I'm fine.

Bleh, I agree with everyone that the group shot looks horrible. I wish Kuririn or Videl or somebody were included, but then again, at least now we don't get to see them off-model. The Goku / Vegeta fight looked pretty bad, too. Maybe the song will just be so good that we forget about the animation.

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Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:32 am

That cut with Babidi is so awkwardly animated.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:37 am

Metalwario64 wrote:That cut with Babidi is so awkwardly animated.
That and the cut of Gokuu fighting with Majin Vegeta leads me to think Yamamuro wasn't able to use any talented animators. Actually, I wonder if he's only using his employees at Yamamuro Animation?
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Post by Samwize78 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:08 pm

Blade wrote:Just out of interest if anyone here actually watches Toriko - how did it end? Did they just wrap up the current storyline or leave it hanging?

I'm just wondering how final the resolution to Toriko actually is, as correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think its future has been entirely disclosed. Whilst that isn't unusual in a culture like Japan where corporations like to save face, not dwell on their failings and quietly sweep things under the rug, I get the faint impression that there's a real possibility that Toei are choosing to air Kai in order to give them time to give Toriko a bit of a shake-up, having previously had no intention to do anything with it other than sell it overseas.
It had a completely different ending from the manga. Toriko defeated Joa with an "Infinite"-ren Kugi Punch, and they all (good guys and bad) got together and shared a meal. It's a pretty finite ending, but the final shot says "End of Human World arc", so take from that what you will.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:04 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:That cut with Babidi is so awkwardly animated.
That and the cut of Gokuu fighting with Majin Vegeta leads me to think Yamamuro wasn't able to use any talented animators. Actually, I wonder if he's only using his employees at Yamamuro Animation?
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Blade » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:06 pm

Samwize78 wrote:
Blade wrote:Just out of interest if anyone here actually watches Toriko - how did it end? Did they just wrap up the current storyline or leave it hanging?

I'm just wondering how final the resolution to Toriko actually is, as correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think its future has been entirely disclosed. Whilst that isn't unusual in a culture like Japan where corporations like to save face, not dwell on their failings and quietly sweep things under the rug, I get the faint impression that there's a real possibility that Toei are choosing to air Kai in order to give them time to give Toriko a bit of a shake-up, having previously had no intention to do anything with it other than sell it overseas.
It had a completely different ending from the manga. Toriko defeated Joa with an "Infinite"-ren Kugi Punch, and they all (good guys and bad) got together and shared a meal. It's a pretty finite ending, but the final shot says "End of Human World arc", so take from that what you will.
Didn't the Manga take a hiatus before the 'Gormet World' arc? Do you think it's possible that Toei could just be letting the Manga story-line run on a little bit to buy them time to improve the episode pacing?
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Post by Samwize78 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:39 pm

Blade wrote:Didn't the Manga take a hiatus before the 'Gormet World' arc? Do you think it's possible that Toei could just be letting the Manga story-line run on a little bit to buy them time to improve the episode pacing?
That's what I'm starting to think, but if that's the case I can't understand why they would change the ending so drastically. Sure things got pretty violent, but the entire reason for the things being the way that they are in the manga is because of how the Human World arc ended. If they do intend to continue on, I have no idea how they would go about mending the story.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Bagginses » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:49 pm

Hujio wrote:
Bagginses wrote:It would be a lot cooler if it did premiere on April the 5th (Toriyama's birthday) instead of the 6th. Damn, it was so close! :lol: Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that the 6th is a Sunday. Does anyone know if when Kai originally premiered in 2009, it was a Sunday too?
Well, when the series first premiered in 2009 it was on April 5th, so they did already hit Toriyama's birthday. And yes, it does have a lot to do with the 6th being a Sunday. When the franchise first began, all of Fuji TV's major anime programs were aired during prime time. Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT all aired at 7PM on Wednesday nights. The 90s Doctor Slump remake and One Piece followed suit with that same Wednesday time slot as well, but in April 2001 Fuji TV moved the majority of their anime to Sundays. They still kept them all in prime time at that point, but in October 2006 One Piece was moved to Sunday mornings at 9:30AM, where it's been ever since.

You can read all about the series' premiere here on the main site.
Thanks for the informative response. So there is a reason Kai airs on Sundays.

That leaves a question, though: why new series must always begin on April? :think:

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Puto » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:56 pm

kei17 wrote:Speaking of the strange tint, a similar thing happened with BoG, too. The masters Mexico, Brazil, and Italia got have a green tint in the footage for some reason. Maybe this was caused by Toei's video editing equipment and the actual show looks different.


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That tint was present in the trailers, but not in the movie itself (at least on the Argentinian Battle of Gods DVD).

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Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:01 pm

Puto wrote:That tint was present in the trailers, but not in the movie itself (at least on the Argentinian Battle of Gods DVD).
If that's the case, then it may very well be a quirk with the promo footage, which makes me optimistic now. :mrgreen:
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:02 pm

Blade wrote:Didn't the Manga take a hiatus before the 'Gormet World' arc? Do you think it's possible that Toei could just be letting the Manga story-line run on a little bit to buy them time to improve the episode pacing?
The manga took a break for a month. But since there are hints for its return, I guess they will take a break for a year to let the manga move forward, and complete DBKai.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Chuquita » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:36 pm

Just wanted to say I really like the countdown clock to the Buu arc of Kai that Kanzenshuu's got on its main page. X3
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