Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

[MagicBox]

This is one of those "what did you expect?" kind of things. They were obviously going to interview dub fans. And if you ask a dub fan about the writing in the dub, they're probably going to remember the lines they liked and just say "Yeah, the whole thing was great! Whoo! Better than any other country's version!" It's ignorance mixed with nostalgia. Heck, there are "enlightened" fans on this very forum who still like those lines. I'm not happy about it either (I'm still hesitating to click the link to watch the interviews). This is just the kind of thing we're gonna have to deal with on a FUNimation extra in which dub fans and dub staff talk about the dub.

I'm surprised the editors even chose to use those few clips in which Sabat wasn't praising the dub. I certainly wasn't expecting every single interview on these sets to be "Well, this product kind of sucks, but hey, we got better." That would get depressing for the target audience for these things.

[Puto]

I was open to the idea of a behind-the-scenes look at the dub scripting... and then of course, one of the talking heads just gushes over the "ally to good" speech. :|

Random tidbit: That was Nervous Nick, also from ScrewAttack.

[samuraix123]

Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:02 pm

B wrote:I was open to the idea of a behind-the-scenes look at the dub scripting... and then of course, one of the talking heads just gushes over the "ally to good" speech.

I still don't get what's bad about that speech.

In isolation from Dragon Ball, I'd say it's fine. But it's more of a Superman speech, if he was feeling a bit up himself (with the whole 'I am truth', etc.). A person who has lost themselves to rage (a Super Saiyan) and is (at that point) toying with the person that they plan to kill isn't exactly the answer to all living things that cry out for peace. He's not there to protect the innocent, he's there to get revenge for the death of his friend. That's why I don't like it, at least - it kinda misses the point.

Oh Come on....whether people will admit it or not, Goku IS! a super hero. he doesn't have to wear a cape and put on a mask to be one. Since he was a kid all the way up to the end he did everything he could on his adventures to stop the bad guys and try to save the innocent. also if I was fighting someone who's the most ruthless evil person that has no regard for other people's lives and he just thinks he can kill anybody and get away with it and I had just reached a level beyond him, I'm going to be a little cocky and put him in his place. I dunno..maybe it's just me but in my mind I do see him as a superhero let it be the Japanese version or the English. I consider all the Z warriors heroes.

This is one of those "what did you expect?" kind of things. They were obviously going to interview dub fans. And if you ask a dub fan about the writing in the dub, they're probably going to remember the lines they liked and just say "Yeah, the whole thing was great! Whoo! Better than any other country's version!" It's ignorance mixed with nostalgia. Heck, there are "enlightened" fans on this very forum who still like those lines. I'm not happy about it either (I'm still hesitating to click the link to watch the interviews). This is just the kind of thing we're gonna have to deal with on a FUNimation extra in which dub fans and dub staff talk about the dub.

I'm surprised the editors even chose to use those few clips in which Sabat wasn't praising the dub. I certainly wasn't expecting every single interview on these sets to be "Well, this product kind of sucks, but hey, we got better." That would get depressing for the target audience for these things.

This right here I agree with.

[90sDBZ]

I was open to the idea of a behind-the-scenes look at the dub scripting... and then of course, one of the talking heads just gushes over the "ally to good" speech.

I still don't get what's bad about that speech.

I agree. It was consistent with how his character had been portrayed previously in the dub and worked really well imo. Something I've noticed is how people always use that as an example of how the dub changed Goku's character and seem to insist it was just season 3 were it started. I think a lot of people forget Goku's speech to Turles in the TV Ocean dub of Tree of Might. I can't remember all of it but he said something along the lines of "A man's true strength comes from the world. I won't let you take ours away for your own greed" and a bunch of other heroic and righteous stuff. And when he let Vegeta live he said to Krillin "Show him that there's a better way".

It's true that Japanese Goku wouldn't say that stuff but it's still a cool speech that fits well with who Goku is in the dub.

If anything, it reminds me of Batman's ‘I am vengeance. I am the night. I am Batman!’

Funnily enough Sean's SS4 Goku voice sounds pretty similar to some portrayals of Batman.

[samuraix123]

Yes! ^ That always bothered me how so many people talk crap on Funimation's dub after their ocean but don't mention all the inconsistencies in Ocean like ''Your father was a brilliant scientist Kakarot!'' ''It's over 9000!'' ''Home of infinite losers'' and many more.

[ABED]

I hate extras like this where instead of just an interview with the cast, crew, critics, etc. there are random moments where they get fan reactions. If they want us to hear what the fans say, make that an extra on its own.

I'm well aware that the adaptation errors didn't start in season 3, but they were more pronounced and having a green voice cast who were often matching miscasts in the first place didn't help anything. As for Goku's speech, it is consistent with the dub character, but it's awful. I wish when they started with the inhouse cast, they had a change in direction by going with more accurate characterization and dialog.

[samuraix123]

I hate extras like this where instead of just an interview with the cast, crew, critics, etc. there are random moments where they get fan reactions. If they want us to hear what the fans say, make that an extra on its own.

I'm well aware that the adaptation errors didn't start in season 3, but they were more pronounced and having a green voice cast who were often matching miscasts in the first place didn't help anything. As for Goku's speech, it is consistent with the dub character, but it's awful. I wish when they started with the inhouse cast, they had a change in direction by going with more accurate characterization and dialog.

Yeah I agree. I don't really care about hearing fans opinions on extra's either. I was actually surprised when that girl with the green hair is like ''I can't watch the Japanese after hearing it in English'' that made me laugh LOL I love the Japanese characters. all my friends say they hate the Japanese voice actor for Goku and it never bothered me in the slightest haha In fact as a Dub fan I really really like it.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Yes! ^ That always bothered me how so many people talk crap on Funimation's dub after their ocean but don't mention all the inconsistencies in Ocean like ''Your father was a brilliant scientist Kakarot!'' ''It's over 9000!'' ''Home of infinite losers'' and many more.

These have been bashed for years.

[MagicBox]

Yes! ^ That always bothered me how so many people talk crap on Funimation's dub after their ocean but don't mention all the inconsistencies in Ocean like ''Your father was a brilliant scientist Kakarot!'' ''It's over 9000!'' ''Home of infinite losers'' and many more.

Because those things have been corrected. The line about Burdock being a scientist no longer exists. "Home of Infinite Losers" no longer exists on the uncut DVDs. There's no reason to be complaining about them anymore. And "Over 9,000" gets bashed all the time. I'm not sure what to say about that one that hasn't already been said.

The reason people still complain about the rewrites in the current dub is because that's what people are still being exposed to. We've got a whole new generation of future YouTube commenters being raised thinking that "Cat Loves Food" is something that a Dragon Ball character actually said. That's why people still complain about the current dub. I cringe every time someone praised the "Ally To Good" speech in that blu-ray interview just now. All I did was acknowledge that this is sadly the kind of thing we should have been expecting from dub-centric interviews.

But I don't mind letting them have their fun. I'm glad they got to talk about something they love.

[samuraix123]

I gotta disagree with you bud. I don't believe when people watch the series and they hear certain lines they believe that's what the character actually said. I believe they simply don't care. I don't know anyone outside of the Internet that really gets into debates about which version is better.

Funny story. My brother had bought me a over 9000 shirt for christmas and it's been over-used to death so I don't like wearing it a-lot, but when I was at the store I walked by 1 guy and he's like ''Hey man nice shirt!'' and when I was at the check out some guy walked up and asked me were I got it at. that made me feel good to see fans of the show haha but nobody has ever walked up to me for wearing it and said ''you know that's not actually what he said right?'' I would probably get aggravated and tell them I don't care if they did.

[qjz123]

I uploaded the 3rd extra http://youtu.be/3IHQ2qADvco.

Here are the other two in case you missed them
Inside Dragon Ball Z: Interview with Gen Fukunaga http://youtu.be/InFQqoa-tUs
Inside Dragon Ball Z: Interview with John Burgmeier http://youtu.be/E10HK74K6SQ

[MagicBox]

I gotta disagree with you bud. I don't believe when people watch the series and they hear certain lines they believe that's what the character actually said.

I'm afraid I don't understand. Are you saying you think that everyone who watches the dub is completely aware that what the characters are saying isn't actually what they're saying? Because I think we have quite a bit of evidence to the contrary. That's why dubbies love the "Ally to good" speech so much; they honestly, truly believe that's what the character of Son Goku is all about.

And if FUNi's staff was writing the series with the mentality of "Oh, nobody cares what they say," then that's just horrible.

EDIT: That "Hummer Tour" retrospective was really fun to listen to. I remember collecting the DBZ card game and frequently visiting the Score website. They would always post pictures of the voice actors at events. I had never met a voice actor at that time, so I kept hoping that I'd be able to go to a convention someday and meet one. Flash forward to today, where I've still never met a voice actor and still hope to someday visit a convention.

[samuraix123]

I gotta disagree with you bud. I don't believe when people watch the series and they hear certain lines they believe that's what the character actually said.

I'm afraid I don't understand. Are you saying you think that everyone who watches the dub is completely aware that what the characters are saying isn't actually what they're saying? Because I think we have quite a bit of evidence to the contrary. That's why dubbies love the "Ally to good" speech so much; they honestly, truly believe that's what the character of Son Goku is all about.

And if FUNi's staff was writing the series with the mentality of "Oh, nobody cares what they say," then that's just horrible.

Okay I obviously didn't mean ''Everyone who watches it'' but I was meaning that I believe a good majority of people(Who are Dub fans) simply don't care if the script was changed or not.(The dub wouldn't be as popular as it is if that wasn't true) I don't believe for a second that when people watch the show they're sitting there thinking ''Man...that ally to good speech is so Goku.'' I think if anything most are probably thinking it's a bad a$$ speech that Goku gave. Kinda like how all the dub fans that I know love Vegeta's speeches and such because they think it's bad a$$.
I think it's as simple as this. A-lot of people grew up with Dragon Ball on Toonami. A-lot! They want to recapture that memory again so they go out buy whatever release they can and they sit down and watch it and enjoy it. simple as that. like I said nobody has ever walked up to me with that shirt and said ''you know that's an incorrect line in the dub right?'' Because nobody cares.(and before anyone says anything. I know that there are some Dub fans who do care!) that is what I honestly believe the truth is.


Edit - Could someone please get me that picture that I believe VegettoEX made about Funimation's next quality release? it was of Gohan it looked awesomely awful hahaha I want to aggravate my brother who hates the Dragon-boxes with it. LOL

[helsinkirocks]

I've been using it as a facebook cover photo.

[qjz123]

Here's screenshots from the next 3 episodes on the set: http://minus.com/mIQIDHRqEgN9W
episodes 75-84: http://min.us/mb1ymOAvlpvlKz
episodes 85-95: http://min.us/mINTa7OKBMrPh
episodes 96-104: http://min.us/mNK6YOBdBZ4Zg
episodes 105-107: http://minus.com/mIQIDHRqEgN9W

Also Funimation fixed the excessively cropped ending.
Dragon Ball Z season 1 and 2 ending


Dragon Ball Z season 3 ending

[Ajay]

This shot is possibly the first one I've gone 'well, that's not awful'.

Spoiler:

[Codarik]

Also Funimation fixed the excessively cropped ending.]

Oh thank goodness, that severely cropped ending was pissing me off.

[samuraix123]

Hahaha so for season 1 and 2 it was just a mistake? they realized what they done didn't make any sense in the least?

I've been using it as a facebook cover photo.

Thanks bud. I'm going to have some fun laughs with this later hahaha

[JEFFMAN219]

Lool to be honest guys these new blu ray sets don't look that bad. I only wished that they kept it in 4:3 because if they did I would've bought these. It sucks that I can't own the original DBZ in its entirety on DVD/Blu-Ray sigh.

[samuraix123]

Lool to be honest guys these new blu ray sets don't look that bad. I only wished that they kept it in 4:3 because if they did I would've bought these. It sucks that I can't own the original DBZ in its entirety on DVD/Blu-Ray sigh.

Yeah even though the cropping is annoying and I wished it was 4x3 it's not like it absolutely destroys the viewing experience. at-least not for me it's not like me not getting to see that little bit of sky or someone's leg is going to kill me haha I'd just get them bud. they're cheap and they look better than the orange bricks. good luck on the Dragon-boxes though if you're trying to get them.