Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[dbzfan7]

So I did what all the complainers said when we complained about the schedule and I didn't follow the comic this whole time.

That's just for the release pacing of the chapters/pages. It doesn't magically make you like the chapter, it just prevents the release pacing from being an issue since you can read it in one go, which was the issue that many kept bringing up. That much should be obvious...

I know, and even when I made the pacing a non issued, nothing changed. The tournament is moving at such a slow pace that I barely give a shit about the story anymore. It's barely moving.

In fact abandoning the special made me pretty much abandon the entire comic. I used to be so excited to check the next pages on Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays. But now I just don't give a shit anymore. Maybe if Asura returns permanently and we get more present tournament stuff, but outside that I no longer give a shit about anything.

[rereboy]

I know, and even when I made the pacing a non issued, nothing changed. The tournament is moving at such a slow pace that I barely give a shit about the story anymore. It's barely moving.

Because these two last chapters were filler and not about the story or the tournament...?

I honestly don't get what you are trying to say... You say that you went without checking for updates for a while, but that you still didn't like the last pages/chapters and that you feel that the story and the tournament still didn't advance... But going without checking for updates for a while doesn't magically make you like the last pages/chapters or makes the last chapters be about the story instead of filler.

The only thing that reading in one go improves is the pacing between the pages that we read in one go... It doesn't guarantee that we will like it or makes the story seem faster if the pages/chapters are filler and not about the story/tournament and therefore incapable of advancing the story/tournament.

In fact abandoning the special made me pretty much abandon the entire comic. I used to be so excited to check the next pages on Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays. But now I just don't give a shit anymore. Maybe if Asura returns permanently and we get more present tournament stuff, but outside that I no longer give a shit about anything.

So, in short, you're going to stop following the comic regularly and probably check it out much later when a lot more material is released to see what has been going on in the comic because you might enjoy it better that way than following it regularly? Essentially doing what it has been suggested various times only with a large time scale? But I thought you were criticizing that same kind of idea before?

Make up your mind. Either you think checking out the comic from time to time, like it has been suggested, is a better idea than following it regularly, or you don't.

[dbzfan7]

Because these two last chapters were filler and not about the story or the tournament...?

I honestly don't get what you are trying to say... You say that you went without checking for updates for a while, but that you still didn't like the last pages/chapters and that you feel that the story and the tournament still didn't advance... But going without checking for updates for a while doesn't magically make you like the last pages/chapters or makes the last chapters be about the story instead of filler.

The only thing that reading in one go improves is the pacing between the pages that we read in one go... It doesn't guarantee that we will like it or makes the story seem faster if the pages/chapters are filler and not about the story/tournament and therefore incapable of advancing the story/tournament.

Specials can still add something interesting to the main arc if done right, but so far all I expect is filler material until the heroes are killed. That's pretty much every special in a nutshell. Even when the tournament is happening we have stuff like "Captain Ginyu not dead", the mystery of XXI, etc, and it seems like none of that is gonna be addressed in a long time. What I thought was the complaint was that the pacing was running everything, and I thought it wasn't just the pacing. So I took time off, and even when the pacing wasn't a problem, everything else still was.

So, in short, you're going to stop following the comic regularly and probably check it out much later when a lot more material is released to see what has been going on in the comic because you might enjoy it better that way than following it regularly? Essentially doing what it has been suggested various times only with a large time scale? But I thought you were criticizing that same kind of idea before?

Make up your mind. Either you think checking out the comic from time to time, like it has been suggested, is a better idea than following it regularly, or you don't.

I was criticizing that the pacing and the story was running things. I was said the pacing was a bigger problem as well as the specials and then I was told to come back after a while. So I did, and all I found was that nothing changes. All the interesting stuff is never talked about which annoys me. The hooks are completely ignored. And without that enchanting artist quality that brings people back, the problems really start to show themselves.

[Flame Dragon]

I think the specials look terrible to be honest. Which sucks because i love the main story drawings. Also i barely stand filler in anime, filler in a manga is just... bleh.
This is why Multiverse will always be mediocre to me.

[Fionordequester]

You know, one thought that's occurred to me...if the main story drawings really take this absurdly long to do...then why not just have the side artists do the whole comic? Even if we do get uglier artwork, it seems like we'd at least get a decently paced story out of it.

[Scarz]

I'm still trying to figure out what the heck Ten threw at him. It looks like a stack of paper.

[RandomGuy96]

This must be how this univese survived Dabra... though how they actually hit him is anyone's guess.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I had a feeling that was what Tenshinhan was up to, heh. Wonder if it's actually gonna work?

[RandomGuy96]

We already know Buu wins this (duh), and he is completely unsurprised and unimpressed by this technique. He also has Piccolo absorbed. I don't think we'll need to wonder whether it'll work or not.

I personally think this is just a waste of time, and would prefer this to be a one panel fight where Buu breathes on Ten, resulting in a non-lethal KO.

Buu is also waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too short. Unless Zen Buu is supposed to be significantly shorter than manga Buu.

[rereboy]

You know, one thought that's occurred to me...if the main story drawings really take this absurdly long to do...then why not just have the side artists do the whole comic? Even if we do get uglier artwork, it seems like we'd at least get a decently paced story out of it.

Because they prefer to do it with better art, even if it takes longer?

[Gyt Kaliba]

We already know Buu wins this (duh), and he is completely unsurprised and unimpressed by this technique. He also has Piccolo absorbed. I don't think we'll need to wonder whether it'll work or not.

Do we actually know he wins, or is it just the safest assumption? I'm asking honestly, cuz I can't remember the last thing we saw from Boo other than him being stopped by...Namek whose name escapes me now too.

Good point on the Piccolo absorption though. There'd be no reason for him not to know the same turnaround technique that Piccolo used back at the 23rd Budokai.

I personally think this is just a waste of time, and would prefer this to be a one panel fight where Buu breathes on Ten, resulting in a non-lethal KO.

Eh, a one page knock-out fight would be boring IMO. But unleash this Tenshinhan is really radically stronger than his main universe counterpart, I could see this going out in two, three pages or so.

[Fionordequester]

Because they prefer to do it with better art, even if it takes longer?

But it comes at the cost of the story. What's the point of good artwork if it takes so long to do, that people lost interest? When you told us a few days ago that this tournament was apparently only the beginning of the story...I have to be honest, I had this feeling of dread suddenly come onto my heart. Like "holy cow, is this story EVER going to be finished then?!".

[RandomGuy96]

We already know Buu wins this (duh), and he is completely unsurprised and unimpressed by this technique. He also has Piccolo absorbed. I don't think we'll need to wonder whether it'll work or not.

Do we actually know he wins, or is it just the safest assumption? I'm asking honestly, cuz I can't remember the last thing we saw from Boo other than him being stopped by...Namek whose name escapes me now too.

Good point on the Piccolo absorption though. There'd be no reason for him not to know the same turnaround technique that Piccolo used back at the 23rd Budokai.

I personally think this is just a waste of time, and would prefer this to be a one panel fight where Buu breathes on Ten, resulting in a non-lethal KO.

Eh, a one page knock-out fight would be boring IMO. But unleash this Tenshinhan is really radically stronger than his main universe counterpart, I could see this going out in two, three pages or so.

Err, did you miss the whole thing about Buu still being in the tournament despite his rampage? Dai Kaioshin said he had another match. On that note, he is probably gonna one-shot Gotenks.

I disagree. A one panel knockout would be better than this, and let us get to the meat sooner.

We already know that he is way, way stronger than his main universe counterpart. It is just not gonna help him. Not even a little bit.

[rereboy]

Specials can still add something interesting to the main arc if done right, but so far all I expect is filler material until the heroes are killed. That's pretty much every special in a nutshell. Even when the tournament is happening we have stuff like "Captain Ginyu not dead", the mystery of XXI, etc, and it seems like none of that is gonna be addressed in a long time. What I thought was the complaint was that the pacing was running everything, and I thought it wasn't just the pacing. So I took time off, and even when the pacing wasn't a problem, everything else still was.

Everybody always criticized the specials, not because of the pacing, but because of being filler, pointless, and because of the inferior art. Not sure why you thought different.

[rereboy]

But it comes at the cost of the story. .

No, it doesn't. Pacing of the story =/= release schedule. The writer of the books of Game Of Thrones takes YEARS to release a new book. Does the pacing story suffer from it? No. If you read the books back to back, the release schedule issues are non existent. If a fan doesn't have the patience to wait for it, that's simply his own problem.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Err, did you miss the whole thing about Buu still being in the tournament despite his rampage? Dai Kaioshin said he had another match. On that note, he is probably gonna one-shot Gotenks.

No, I remember him still being in the tournament after hi - ...Ohhh, wait. Okay. I get it now. His rampage did come after this match, so the only way he'd be able to have another match from that point is if he won this one. Geez, my memory really is bad.

I disagree. A one panel knockout would be better than this, and let us get to the meat sooner.

Eh, a one-panel knockout only ever works for me if it's entirely a gag fight, like Kuririn's fight with Pintar, or Vegeta's 'match' with that guy at the end of the series.

[dbzfan7]

Specials can still add something interesting to the main arc if done right, but so far all I expect is filler material until the heroes are killed. That's pretty much every special in a nutshell. Even when the tournament is happening we have stuff like "Captain Ginyu not dead", the mystery of XXI, etc, and it seems like none of that is gonna be addressed in a long time. What I thought was the complaint was that the pacing was running everything, and I thought it wasn't just the pacing. So I took time off, and even when the pacing wasn't a problem, everything else still was.

Everybody always criticized the specials, not because of the pacing, but because of being filler, pointless, and because of the inferior art. Not sure why you thought different.

Well I recall I said the pacing killed it for me, and then I got bitched at that that is my fault. I never had a problem with the pacing when the whole thing was INTERESTING. Now it's just plain boring. I want some more nods to the plot points they set up, but they never happen. So it takes month's for the plot to actually move.

[Saiga]

I agree with RandomGuy. One panel knockout would be the best way to handle this fight. I think they shouldn't have been matched up at all, though.

[Fionordequester]

No, it doesn't.

Actually, it does if it's too much. Again, even the greatest of stories is worthless if the reader loses interest in it...or, for that matter, if the writer loses interest in it.

In fact, actually, that's what I'm afraid of most. I'm afraid that, at some point, Salagir is going to lose interest in this franchise (because, I dunno, it's too hard to maintain, or maybe he gets fed up with the critics, or maybe he gets married and decides that this is taking too much away form his personal life), and then he'll quit and leave behind an unfinished story. And if THAT happens, the bad pacing of this fanfic will, indeed, harm the story, since with better pacing, there's also a much better chance that he'll actually finish the thing before something causes him to drop out...

I mean, let's think about it. Let's say the main story is moving at...I dunno, 1x Speed. And right now, there seems to be about 2 Special Arcs per Main Story Arc. So, by my deductions, if he were to drop the Specials and start releasing the Main Story chapters several times a week (with inferior artwork), the story would then move at 3x Speed. And let's say Salagir, at his current pace, drops out, and leaves the story only 30% done.

Well, had he maintained the faster pace, with no filler, that same story would now be 90% done by the time he drops out, you know what I mean? That's where I'm coming from. So, unless Salagir has the work ethic of a beast, I'm afraid that this story isn't even going to be finished.

[Marco Polo]

We already know Buu wins this (duh)

Err, did you miss the whole thing about Buu still being in the tournament despite his rampage?

Dude, that was nearly one year ago. There's nothing wrong with having forgotten those events. Your slightly condescending 'duh's and 'err's make it sound like Buu's rampage was just published yesterday.