Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
Also since Goku and Vegeta were noted as the main reason Vegetto ended up so strong, rather than the Potara, I'm inclined to believe that those two just make for really good Fusion fodder and the result of either Fusion method between them will end up pretty much all-powerful.
In-universe explanation? Potara or Namekian Assimilation don't have any special requirements, so the boost should be inconsistent, but since Fusion has requirements, I don't see why it would give different boosts on others.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Gogeta8001 wrote:Can someone tell me where Beerus > SSJ3 Vegito is stated? I must be slow on things.
In the "extended cut" version of Battle of Gods which aired on Fuki TV about a week ago, one of the new scenes placed after Goku's first fight with Beerus had Goku ponder that even if he and Vegeta were to merge/fuse, it probably wouldn't be enough to win.
I personally think declaring, "Beerus > SSJ3 Vegetto, fact" is a bit premature, since the word "probably" was at play and as far as I know we don't even have a solid translation of the line yet.
Gogeta8001 wrote:Can someone tell me where Beerus > SSJ3 Vegito is stated? I must be slow on things.
In the "extended cut" version of Battle of Gods which aired on Fuki TV about a week ago, one of the new scenes placed after Goku's first fight with Beerus had Goku ponder that even if he and Vegeta were to merge/fuse, it probably wouldn't be enough to win.
I personally think declaring, "Beerus > SSJ3 Vegetto, fact" is a bit premature, since the word "probably" was at play and as far as I know we don't even have a solid translation of the line yet.
Yeah, for all we know he could have been referring to SSJ3 Gogeta instead of Vegito (depending on whether or not you believe theirs a big gap between the two).
But yeah, it's best to see how things play out in the future before everyone jumps to conclusion.
As for the next fight...
50% MSSJ Goku VS USSJ Trunks (Speed is not an issue for Trunks here)
Gogeta8001 wrote:Can someone tell me where Beerus > SSJ3 Vegito is stated? I must be slow on things.
In the "extended cut" version of Battle of Gods which aired on Fuki TV about a week ago, one of the new scenes placed after Goku's first fight with Beerus had Goku ponder that even if he and Vegeta were to merge/fuse, it probably wouldn't be enough to win.
I personally think declaring, "Beerus > SSJ3 Vegetto, fact" is a bit premature, since the word "probably" was at play and as far as I know we don't even have a solid translation of the line yet.
For me its just Beerus > Super Vegeto. I personally find Beerus > SSJ3 Vegeto to be absolutely ridiculous.
Gogeta8001 wrote:Can someone tell me where Beerus > SSJ3 Vegito is stated? I must be slow on things.
In the "extended cut" version of Battle of Gods which aired on Fuki TV about a week ago, one of the new scenes placed after Goku's first fight with Beerus had Goku ponder that even if he and Vegeta were to merge/fuse, it probably wouldn't be enough to win.
I personally think declaring, "Beerus > SSJ3 Vegetto, fact" is a bit premature, since the word "probably" was at play and as far as I know we don't even have a solid translation of the line yet.
For me its just Beerus > Super Vegeto. I personally find Beerus > SSJ3 Vegeto to be absolutely ridiculous.
Same here. All lot of peope are trying to insinuate Beerus > SSJ3 Vegito. Espically YT people but then again their not the most brightest people in the world so meh.
Is their even a specific quote that states Beerus's superiority over Vegito?
The best thing for Beerus>Super Vegetto is the fact that in promotional material, Beerus was stated as the strongest being in the history of Z. Before the Whis reveal
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:The best thing for Beerus>Super Vegetto is the fact that in promotional material, Beerus was stated as the strongest being in the history of Z. Before the Whis reveal
I don't see how that would apply to SSJ3 Vegito though. SSJ Vegito was the strongest fighter in Z pre-BoG so Beerus being a ridiculous amount stronger than SSJ Vegito would be pushing it.
Then again, their might be guidebooks that come out in the future that will hopefully clear this all up.
dbzfan7 wrote:The best thing for Beerus>Super Vegetto is the fact that in promotional material, Beerus was stated as the strongest being in the history of Z. Before the Whis reveal
I don't see how that would apply to SSJ3 Vegito though. SSJ Vegito was the strongest fighter in Z pre-BoG so Beerus being a ridiculous amount stronger than SSJ Vegito would be pushing it.
Then again, their might be guidebooks that come out in the future that will hopefully clear this all up.
I thought you just meant Super Vegetto. If you mean SSJ3 Vegetto, then there is nothing to fully confirm that. Even the extended cut fusion line isn't concrete enough.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:The best thing for Beerus>Super Vegetto is the fact that in promotional material, Beerus was stated as the strongest being in the history of Z. Before the Whis reveal
But SSJ3 Veggeto has yet to exist outside of a video game, same with SSJ3 Broly and Vegeta.
In the anime, we dont even know if Veggeto can go SSJ3 yet, so theres no point in saying Beerus surpasses him as a SSJ3 when it still remains unknown if he can go SSJ3 let alone how powerful he'd be.
dbzfan7 wrote:The best thing for Beerus>Super Vegetto is the fact that in promotional material, Beerus was stated as the strongest being in the history of Z. Before the Whis reveal
But SSJ3 Veggeto has yet to exist outside of a video game, same with SSJ3 Broly and Vegeta.
In the anime, we dont even know if Veggeto can go SSJ3 yet, so theres no point in saying Beerus surpasses him as a SSJ3 when it still remains unknown if he can go SSJ3 let alone how powerful he'd be.
I said Super Vegetto, not SSJ3 Vegetto. That one is vague.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Too me it can be whatever. Fusion could include Potara, or it may just be SSJ3 Gogeta. Some have SSJ3 Gogeta on the same tier of SSJ3 Vegetto, so if you have that, then I'd say so.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Too me it can be whatever. Fusion could include Potara, or it may just be SSJ3 Gogeta. Some have SSJ3 Gogeta on the same tier of SSJ3 Vegetto, so if you have that, then I'd say so.
For me, if Gogeta and Veggeto are in the same form, Veggeto will be stronger by default. Id say Potara is 1.5X the power of the Fusion Dance as I agree with Kaboom that Gogeta is only slightly weaker than Veggeto.
dbzfan7 wrote:The best thing for Beerus>Super Vegetto is the fact that in promotional material, Beerus was stated as the strongest being in the history of Z. Before the Whis reveal
I don't see how that would apply to SSJ3 Vegito though. SSJ Vegito was the strongest fighter in Z pre-BoG so Beerus being a ridiculous amount stronger than SSJ Vegito would be pushing it.
Then again, their might be guidebooks that come out in the future that will hopefully clear this all up.
I thought you just meant Super Vegetto. If you mean SSJ3 Vegetto, then there is nothing to fully confirm that. Even the extended cut fusion line isn't concrete enough.
Yeah, what I meant was SSJ Vegito. I have Beerus on the same level as SSJ2 Vegito. Comparing Beerus to characters like Vegito, Whis, Bebi Vegeta, and SSJ4 Goku, I have...
Base Bebi Vegeta: 22,500,000,000,000 SSJ Vegito: 23,000,000,000,000 Super Bebi Vegeta: 30,000,000,000,000 Final Form Bebi Vegeta: 45,000,000,000,000 SSJ2 Vegito: 46,000,000,000,000 Beerus: 50,000,000,000,000 Whis: 85,000,000,000,000 SSJ3 Vegito: 184,000,000,000,000 SSJ4 Goku: 300,000,000,000,000
Well then like I said there is no concrete proof he is above SSJ3 Vegetto. You can either take the dicrectors cut statement as a yes, or no. Either way there is no correct answer at the moment.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
