Skar wrote:
Well I understand some people like the story. I'm just saying that if Toriyama wrote a sequel he wouldn't recycle past villains and plot devices and look for something new at add to the story.
If you recall what he said in this interview from the Daizenshuu 2:
From there, the enemy characters rapidly began to escalate.
Having become the strongest on the Earth, Goku and co. had also beat the Saiyans who came from outside of Earth and then they went out into the universe. I came up with Freeza around the time of the Bubble2, and the land shark was the worst person of all. So I made him the #1 land shark in the universe.
The next to appear where the Artificial Humans and Cell.
Since they had become the strongest in even the universe, they next had to surpass time. So with that I did time-travel stuff, but it was really rough. Time paradox, is it? I quickly got bogged down.
After Piccolo Jr and Goku were the strongest on Earth he didn't go with another evil Namek or super strong tournament contestant. He decided to bring in fighters from other planets. After the Saiyan saga he never had another evil Saiyan attack the Earth. He decided to take it the next level and include the strongest (mortal) in the universe. That was something Toei never understood when writing GT. In the BS saga there were several super powerful aliens apparently stronger than Freeza. If Toriyama wanted other aliens stronger than Freeza he would have introduced them not move on to another type of villain. Toriyama was done with the android idea in the Cell saga but Toei and many fanfics thought it would be clever to reuse the same idea. In the Buu saga he introduced the concept of fusion and Buu who was the biggest threat in the history of the universe. Like I said it's a little hard to top that. If an author wants to create a stronger villain they should come up with something new not just a slight variation of a past villain. Even Bills and Whis who were stronger than Buu were more like neutral gods than villains.
That's what I liked about DBM because it was an attempt at something different. I think a good example would be Dissidia Final Fantasy which followed a similar concept. The characters in each Final Fantasy game are pretty much the strongest in their particular universe at the end of the game. It's going to hard to write a sequel for them and come up with a plausible villain stronger than Sepiroth for FF7 or Ultimecia for FF8 for example. They decided to have the characters team up and face a multiverse threat. I think there's a tournament option in the game so it does follow the same idea of the strongest heroes of one universe facing off against the strongest heroes of another. I remember in Power Rangers there was an episode where the Red Rangers from multiple universes teamed up which I thought was pretty cool.
All valid points, and your statement about DBM at least trying to go in a different direction than most is one reason why I personally like it so much. It really is something that hasn't been done before. It isn't without its flaws, but its a fanmanga, so there are bound to be some.
I made it a point to never use past villains like GT and Toyble's AF did (Cell, Freeza, resurrecting Broly, etc.), which seems to be the most common trope among DB fanmanga, and one I sought avoid. I can see where some plot points that get used would possibly annoy some people. The reason I used them wasn't because I wasn't trying, but because some of them were plot points that enamored the original series to me, and I incorporated into the original version of my story. I have since changed A LOT of my story.
For example, as of right now, Rigor and Aladjinn are the ONLY villains whose original power will be beyond SSJ4 tier, Rigor because he is the Legendary Saiyan and Aladjinn because he's one of the 4 Aspect Lords/ original gods. I have plans for Goku and Vegeta to become removed from the main roster later, which frees up for weaker villains that no longer have to be exceedingly more powerful than Omega Shenron. What you said about Bills and Whiss being neutral rather than flat out evil somewhat applies to Rigor as well. Sure he wants to kill Vegeta, but he has a valid reason to want to (the guy killed his mom). Other than that, he could care less about everyone else. Had he never even discovered Vegeta was alive, he'd have lived out the rest of his days in peace and no one would ever have seen hide nor hair of him again. Aladjinn, conversely, isn't just evil, but rather the PUREST and most powerful evil, who doesn't even reside within the confines of the Universe. As an Aspect Lord, he resides outside them in the Godly Realms.
The whole Super Androids Saga has been COMPLETELY rewritten, and I've debated that this particular Saga might not even happen. If it did, these particular Androids would NOT be Dr. Gero's creations.
But, like I said, we could sit here and nitpick things here and nitpick things there, but it wouldn't get us anywhere. Sorry to pull the thread off topic. I will scamper off now.
