Edited "Cell Games" VHS Series never fully released?

[TheBalishChannel]

I recently purchased what I thought was the entire series of edited Dragon Ball Z VHS tapes off eBay. While lining up all of the side-art, I noticed that the "Cell Games'" abruptly ended with Perfect Cell's lowered-opacity face and caught leg being cut-off. At first I thought that was just the way FUNimation designed it, but just to be sure I checked the last episode number on the back of the cover-slip. Lo and behold it was not "Free the Future (179)" but instead "The Fight is Over (165)." I started to get a little pissed because the name of the auction said it was the complete series in edited format. However, looking through Kanzenshuu's Home Video Guide and searching for the 4 VHS Tapes that I'm missing, I could only find the Uncut versions for the rest of the episodes. So, I just searched "Dragon Ball Z: Cell Games edited" and all that came up were the ones that I already have, so could it be that FUNimation decided to end the edited variety and only continue the Uncut VHS's? The Home Video Guide here mentions some pretty interesting details about the convoluted release schedule for all of the Cell Games DVD's, so I wonder if something similar happened with the VHS's and they just forgot to finish the edited Cell Games Saga?

Can anyone confirm whether or not the edited Cell Games Saga on VHS continues after episode 165? It's a little disappointing seeing the side-art of Gohan fighting Cell cut-off when it's so much more vivid and clear compared to the Uncut version's, which is just Cell ready to do a Kamehameha.

[TheBalishChannel]

As a reference, this is what the edited set of the Cell Games Saga looks like on VHS. Notice how Cell's face is cut off; I assume this is because there's 4 tapes missing from the set. Does anyone know if the rest exist?

[DBZASHKACHU]

I don't think Funimation ever finished their edited video release for the Cell Games saga. Every time I visited the mall video stores only carried the uncut versions for the remaining volumes. I think in magazines where you could order them only had the uncut versions also. This saga was one of the last to get a home video release, I'm not 100% but the edited versions were unofficially cancelled.(Someone correct me if I'm wrong ) Funimation did that with their Dragon Ball Tienshinhan saga tapes, one was released and the rest never came out but that could of been in favor of their 2 disc saga sets.

That always puzzled me too,I started with the edited versions and got forced into uncut. No complaints but still odd. Here's my tapes the 1st and the last 4 are the uncut version.

[TheBalishChannel]

I don't think Funimation ever finished their edited video release for the Cell Games saga. Every time I visited the mall video stores only carried the uncut versions for the remaining volumes. I think in magazines where you could order them only had the uncut versions also. This saga was one of the last to get a home video release, I'm not 100% but the edited versions were unofficially cancelled.(Someone correct me if I'm wrong ) Funimation did that with their Dragon Ball Tenshinhan saga tapes, one was released and the rest never came out but that could of been in favor of their 2 disc saga sets.

That always puzzled me too,I started with the edited versions and got forced into uncut. No complaints but still odd.

That's a shame. I was thinking about restoring the edits with the uncut release by using the Westwood dub recordings as a reference, seeing as though nobody recorded the missing episodes during their broadcast on Cartoon Network in the U.S., but then I remembered that is referred to as "Mr. Satan" in that version. I'll see if I've got some of these episodes on my Cartoon Network recordings later.

[Gaffer Tape]

You know, you don't have to go as far as making an image of the word Hercule with not-so-subtle references to Communist censorship to get around the word filter. See? I just did it.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

Can I ask, why would you want the edited version? Is it a nostalgia "this is how I saw it on TV" thing?

[TheBalishChannel]

You know, you don't have to go as far as making an image of the word Hercule with not-so-subtle references to Communist censorship to get around the word filter. See? I just did it.

Can't just yet, I'm a junior member.

Can I ask, why would you want the edited version? Is it a nostalgia "this is how I saw it on TV" thing?

That's one of the reasons, I suppose. I like the side-art, which is absent on the DVD Singles, and I prefer most of the episodes with the edits. I can't speak for the rest of Kanzenshuu, but I for one don't wish to see Goku completely naked with somebody else's son and his own (also naked) in a tub cleaning off with various camera-shots on all three of their asses. Just not for me, lol.

[Gaffer Tape]

You know, you don't have to go as far as making an image of the word Hercule with not-so-subtle references to Communist censorship to get around the word filter. See? I just did it.

Can't just yet, I'm a junior member.

I have no idea what that means. We don't have "junior members" here. If you look at my post in the edit box, you'll see that all I did was add some code to the word to bypass the filter. Any code will do. If you change a color of a letter, change a font size of a letter, change a style of a letter, then the filter won't pick it up. I'm just saying there's no need to get all huffy and start assigning political ideologies because the forum software is discouraging you from using certain terms.

[VegettoEX]

Kanzenshuu is not GAF, and while I understand what GAF is, I still don't understand the connection being drawn.

The filter is what it is, and it's not going away until the wiki launches. You agreed to a certain set of rules (twice) when you registered, and if you're not OK with them, you didn't have to register.

[TheBalishChannel]

Kanzenshuu is not GAF.

Couldn't have said it better myself, lmao.

Misunderstood jokes and connections aside, *coughgaffertapecough* I've read the rules and regulations for the forums, and nowhere does it say that I cannot use an image to get by the word-filter. I didn't want it to become a big issue, I just wanted my point to be better illustrated. The filter I thought would be removed once you became an advanced regular, but I guess I misinterpreted how it's handled. Whatever. Gaffer Tapes "code" seems much more efficient and cleaner looking anyway.

Back to the topic at hand, does anyone know which episode the Cell is from that they super-imposed in the sky? I'm planning on completing the rest of the side art-work just for completion's sake.

[Hellspawn28]

My guess is that the edited VHS copies were not selling well enough and they felt like the uncut sets were a bigger seller. I remember the Suncoast at the Columbia Mall (Which died back in 2011) over 10 years had the DBZ VHS tapes on display and they had stickers for which age that they were recommended for. DBZ edited was like age 4+ and uncut was 13+. Even the GT VHS tapes were like that despite GT being the tamest out of three shows.

[TheBalishChannel]

My guess is that the edited VHS copies were not selling well enough and they felt like the uncut sets were a bigger seller. I remember the Suncoast at the Columbia Mall (Which died back in 2011) over 10 years had the DBZ VHS tapes on display and they had stickers for which age that they were recommended for. DBZ edited was like age 4+ and uncut was 13+. Even the GT VHS tapes were like that despite GT being the tamest out of three shows.

As far as I know, there wasn't an edited variant of GT on either DVD or VHS. It would be cool if someone could record the edited Dragon Ball GT in high-quality, seeing as it's being rebroadcast on Nicktoons.

[Valerius Dover]

Personally, I don't get why anyone would buy the edited versions. As someone above stated, the uncut ones were the ones people actually wanted, since they didn't air on TV.

[Hellspawn28]

You also have kids at the time from 1996 - 2004 that would watch DB/Z/GT on TV. While nothing in DB or DBZ is R rated, the blood and nudity might freak parents or guardians out if they have young kids at the age of three or four. GT was released edited on VHS since I remember buying Vol. 1 of the Super 17 saga on VHS. I still bought VHS tapes at the time since they were cheaper then DVD's at the time and the uncut ones coast more as well. I bought the show and watch the show on TV for the dub since I already seen GT when it was airing back in 2004.

[TheBalishChannel]

Personally, I don't get why anyone would buy the edited versions. As someone above stated, the uncut ones were the ones people actually wanted, since they didn't air on TV.

There's some pretty obvious reasoning behind purchasing the edited versions of the episodes.
1.) VHS's can have their quality degrade overtime, depending on how they were produced, where they were stored, and how many times they've been watched. It would be nice to digitize them to prevent further damage.
2.) Even today some people refer to the character Mr. Satan as "Hercule," and unfortunately this is the only form of DBZ released by FUNimation in which the character goes by that name; on VHS's from 1999-2003.
3.) Some people just aren't comfortable with scenes involving nudity.
4.) This one may be debatable, but the cover-slips' side-art for the edited versions are much more appealing to look at when compared to the uncut versions, as they don't try to portray the violent aspects of the show to symbolize how "edgy" or "hardcore" it is.

The uncut variations are now widely available on not only VHS, but on DVD (Singles-in both VHS and DVD formats-, Orange Bricks, Dragon Boxes), Blu-Ray, and online video-streaming websites. In order to watch the edited version you have to acquire the edited VHS tapes and a VCR player, both of which are ancient relics of entertainment mediums, now. I'm going to take it upon myself to scan each individual cover-slip's sides, digitize the film within the tapes, and combine it into one big package so that people who grew up with the version that aired on Cartoon Network don't have to suffer through paying a fortune and/or tracking down all of these VHS's.

[dbboxkaifan]

3.) Some people just aren't comfortable with scenes involving nudity.

And they are with violence? Now what kind of example is that settling for their kids?

[Valerius Dover]

3.) Some people just aren't comfortable with scenes involving nudity.

And they are with violence? Now what kind of example is that settling for their kids?

Well, there really is hardly any nudity in the show to begin with. Nothing too bad. And this coming from someone who grew up in Virginia of all places. Extra-conservative, you know.

While it may be true that nudity is far more damaging to kids than violence, small amounts when used for humorous (or just plain natural purposes) are ok. Besides, you shouldn't edit stuff.

Still, I can see that some people may have a nostalgia for those, though, and it'd be a shame if these got lost like all those old films. We should preserve stuff by all means.

[TheBalishChannel]

And they are with violence? Now what kind of example is that settling for their kids?

Kids aren't able to shoot beams out of their hands, lol. They also cut segments out of some fights because they were deemed "too violent" by Cartoon Network's standards. Off the top of my head, the scene where Vegeta battles Gohan in Episode #91, "Namek's Destruction...Goku's End" was cut significantly. In the uncut version, while the two are up in the air, Gohan attempts to attack Vegeta, only to have his punch countered and proceeds to be beaten in the face repeatedly. In the edited version, after Vegeta knees Gohan and meteor smashes him towards the forestry below, the screen flashes white for a frame and cuts to where Gohan is shown falling after being knocked-back by Vegeta's energy ball. It's a pretty clever cut.

[TheBalishChannel]

3.) Some people just aren't comfortable with scenes involving nudity.

And they are with violence? Now what kind of example is that settling for their kids?

Well, there really is hardly any nudity in the show to begin with. Nothing too bad. And this coming from someone who grew up in Virginia of all places. Extra-conservative, you know.

While it may be true that nudity is far more damaging to kids than violence, small amounts when used for humorous (or just plain natural purposes) are ok. Besides, you shouldn't edit stuff.

Still, I can see that some people may have a nostalgia for those, though, and it'd be a shame if these got lost like all those old films. We should preserve stuff by all means.

Don't take this the wrong way if it applies to you, as I understand people may share different viewpoints, but how can anyone honestly be okay with, say, Kid Goku whipping his cock out in front of a Fortune Teller? Or, anywhere for that matter? Or how about when Goku takes a bath with Goten and Trunks (7 years of age, mind you; one of them's not even his son) with all of them completely naked, and many different camera-shots on their bare asses? To me that doesn't constitute as humor, that's borderline pedophilia. IDK, maybe I'm going a bit overboard, but to the average American (like me) that comes off as stereotypically eastern and makes me very uncomfortable. It's that type of stuff where if someone walked in on you as you were watching those scenes, they'd never think of you the same no matter how hard you'd try to explain yourself.

[Valerius Dover]

Um, I think whipping out the "c word" only refers to bigger ones if you know what I mean.
He's a little boy in that scene and doesn't know any better. Plus, that thing is really crudely drawn, anyway.
The latter scene might be a bit iffy, though, but I still don't think something should be edited like that.
If it's there, leave it there. Don't edit it to conform to standards or anything.

Aside from the Ocean dub, I haven't actually seen any edited Funi Material. What's it like? And is it true that the Faulconer score skips around a lot?
Also, is it true that there are no edited Funi Versions of Episodes 1-67?