Buu Saga Kai

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

...You know, both options have their issues of course, but I for one would much rather see them go the Naruto-route of having lengthy filler-arcs which can be completely ignored, rather than seeing each and every event dragged out to unbearable degrees. Like, you say it's a nightmare when following it weekly. Well... Don't follow it weekly then. Heck, when there's tons of useless filler-arcs... why watch them at all? I would much rather have lengthy filler-arcs that I can just skip outright upon rewatching the show, rather than having the canon content dragged out to the point where stuff like Kai or One Pace is actually warranted. Heck, I for one find watching the weekly One Piece episodes to be mostly pretty dull these days too... Though I blame that less on the pacing of the source material and more on the fact that Toei only seems to have one good episode director for the anime. (Seriously. All the particularly well received episodes from the past year were directed by the same person.)

Filler arcs wouldnt help DBZ at all considering the already potent lack of consistency in the main storyline. The problem would distort it even more as mentioned above, fans would start to debate or use situations from filler to define or compare characters with their canon counterparts and it wouldn't do a thing. Not to mention Akira Toryiama never cites anything from filler in relevance to the main story even if some tidbits of it were good concepts like Dragonfist and Freeza's brother. It would just be a waste of time. The movies can be considered filler arcs for certain sagas and look at how they're recieved. Look at GT, how badly its trashed just because it wasnt written by A.T.

Even if some filler are good enough as stand alones, they would never be brought up again by Akira in future stories. Its bad enough that SSJgod Goku never used the Dragonfist on Beers the way he did on Omega shenron. Then theres the other fact that Pikkon doesnt actually exist despite his potential with piccolo and Tien if they were to ever meet.

[Flame Dragon]

That's why fillers are even more of a waste of time.

"Ehi remember how epic was when Goku used that gigantic Dragon Fist to envelop and completely obliterate Super 17?"
"Yeah that shit was awesome!"
"Guess what"
"What?"
"You will never see that again"

And let's not bring up that other whole thing:
"Ehi if shonen hero Z did filler attack X he could have easily defeated canon villain Y, why the fuck didn't he do it?"

Tons of confusion, plotholes and just sheer trouble in general. Fillers are just so not worth it.
Thank god anime industries are finally realizing this and bringing us fillerless adaptations like FMA Brotherhood, HxH2011 and Kai.


Now i can't wait for One Piece Kai in 2050.

[TheAldella]

That's why fillers are even more of a waste of time.

"Ehi remember how epic was when Goku used that gigantic Dragon Fist to envelop and completely obliterate Super 17?"
"Yeah that shit was awesome!"
"Guess what"
"What?"
"You will never see that again"

And let's not bring up that other whole thing:
"Ehi if shonen hero Z did filler attack X he could have easily defeated canon villain Y, why the fuck didn't he do it?"

Tons of confusion, plotholes and just sheer trouble in general. Fillers are just so not worth it.
Thank god anime industries are finally realizing this and bringing us fillerless adaptations like FMA Brotherhood, HxH2011 and Kai.


Now i can't wait for One Piece Kai in 2050.

Oh, me either. It'll be super awkward when they reanimate the opening, though, since One Piece is already in HD in the latter parts. It'll feel awfully funky.

[Fennekin]

So... I made this. I thought I'd try to one up Sumitomo and try to make the NEP theme sound closer to an orchestra. It's still clearly sampled and synthesized, but I think mine sounds closer to real instruments, and I think I arranged it better too. The piano in the actual track sounds like the notes are going of key and all over the place, which makes it sound very dissonant.

I used free soundfonts (nothing pirated) that I've found on the internet the past few years. I know nothing about music composition, and this only took about an hour and a half tops, yet I think mine is better. Maybe I could have done better EQ work, but again, I'm not too familiar with that stuff.

I love this! I keep re-playing it! xD

[Vegard Aune]

...You know, both options have their issues of course, but I for one would much rather see them go the Naruto-route of having lengthy filler-arcs which can be completely ignored, rather than seeing each and every event dragged out to unbearable degrees. Like, you say it's a nightmare when following it weekly. Well... Don't follow it weekly then. Heck, when there's tons of useless filler-arcs... why watch them at all? I would much rather have lengthy filler-arcs that I can just skip outright upon rewatching the show, rather than having the canon content dragged out to the point where stuff like Kai or One Pace is actually warranted. Heck, I for one find watching the weekly One Piece episodes to be mostly pretty dull these days too... Though I blame that less on the pacing of the source material and more on the fact that Toei only seems to have one good episode director for the anime. (Seriously. All the particularly well received episodes from the past year were directed by the same person.)

Filler arcs wouldnt help DBZ at all considering the already potent lack of consistency in the main storyline. The problem would distort it even more as mentioned above, fans would start to debate or use situations from filler to define or compare characters with their canon counterparts and it wouldn't do a thing. Not to mention Akira Toryiama never cites anything from filler in relevance to the main story even if some tidbits of it were good concepts like Dragonfist and Freeza's brother. It would just be a waste of time. The movies can be considered filler arcs for certain sagas and look at how they're recieved. Look at GT, how badly its trashed just because it wasnt written by A.T.

Even if some filler are good enough as stand alones, they would never be brought up again by Akira in future stories. Its bad enough that SSJgod Goku never used the Dragonfist on Beers the way he did on Omega shenron. Then theres the other fact that Paikuhan doesnt actually exist despite his potential with piccolo and Tenshinhan if they were to ever meet.

Completely irrelevant to my point. Of course the ideal option would be no filler and also fast pacing, but seeing how Japanese broadcast-standards are, the only way that could happen is if they hadn't even started on the anime until the manga was over. But as that didn't happen, one way or another filler was inevitable. I'm only saying that I would much rather have that filler be kept entirely separate from the main story, in other words, to have complete filler-arcs rather than Toei padding out the canon content to Hell and back the way they did. And you know why? Because then I could just skip those episodes entirely and still be able to enjoy the story without interruptions.

[Puto]

So... I made this. I thought I'd try to one up Sumitomo and try to make the NEP theme sound closer to an orchestra. It's still clearly sampled and synthesized, but I think mine sounds closer to real instruments, and I think I arranged it better too. The piano in the actual track sounds like the notes are going of key and all over the place, which makes it sound very dissonant.

I used free soundfonts (nothing pirated) that I've found on the internet the past few years. I know nothing about music composition, and this only took about an hour and a half tops, yet I think mine is better. Maybe I could have done better EQ work, but again, I'm not too familiar with that stuff.

No, it's not better. The notes at the start are wrong, the instruments don't sound any less cheap, and it literally sounds like just listening to a generic MIDI. The idea's good, but it just doesn't work right.

[Fennekin]

So... I made this. I thought I'd try to one up Sumitomo and try to make the NEP theme sound closer to an orchestra. It's still clearly sampled and synthesized, but I think mine sounds closer to real instruments, and I think I arranged it better too. The piano in the actual track sounds like the notes are going of key and all over the place, which makes it sound very dissonant.

I used free soundfonts (nothing pirated) that I've found on the internet the past few years. I know nothing about music composition, and this only took about an hour and a half tops, yet I think mine is better. Maybe I could have done better EQ work, but again, I'm not too familiar with that stuff.

No, it's not better. The notes at the start are wrong, the instruments don't sound any less cheap, and it literally sounds like just listening to a generic MIDI. The idea's good, but it just doesn't work right.

Please re-upload the NEP music! It was removed! D:

[Metalwario64]

No, it's not better. The notes at the start are wrong, the instruments don't sound any less cheap, and it literally sounds like just listening to a generic MIDI. The idea's good, but it just doesn't work right.

You're right. I took it down since I saw your comment. I regret uploading it and making that post in the first place now. The soundfont was said to be sampled from real instruments, so I thought it would be an improvement, but as I said originally, I don't really know much about music, so I guess I showed my ignorance with that post and really shouldn't have.

I did feel the urge to try and improve it though. I know it ain't perfect, and I'm no longer trying to play it off as an improvement over Sumitomo's, but I'm curious to see if I at least made it better than my last attempt. Plus, someone kept asking me to reupload it.

Here's the link. If this one is no good as well, I will take the video down and no longer clog this thread up with useless things like that.

[Puto]

I'm not really an expert either, but let me explain what I do know. Most soundfonts probably are sampled from real instruments (even the default MIDI soundfont in Windows is, though the ones on those are pretty low-quality samples) but the same is most likely also true for whatever Sumitomo used. The problem is that just sampling an instrument doesn't guarantee it will necessarily sound realistic after all the transformations the sample will go through to be able to play multiple notes. Most free (and even quite a few non-free) soundfonts tend to have this one same generic ‘MIDI feel’ which was absolutely there in your rendition.

Honestly, the arrangement itself sounded pretty accurate if nothing else (other than some really awkward wrong notes at the start, which honestly distracted me to no end) but the very obvious MIDI soundfont just completely killed it. At the very least, while Sumitomo's NEP sound cheap, it doesn't sound like it was literally played through a generic MIDI soundfont (though a couple of the other songs featuring guitars do give a bit of that feel, unfortunately).

Also, reading back my comment it unfortunately sounds unnecessarily harsh. My apologies for that, it wasn't my intention. I really should've tried to be a little more cordial.

[Metalwario64]

Also, reading back my comment it unfortunately sounds unnecessarily harsh. My apologies for that, it wasn't my intention. I really should've tried to be a little more cordial.

Nah, it's fine. I was getting arrogant lately and I needed someone to bring me back down. Your complaints were justified, and I did kind of rush it. I shouldn't try to play my work as superior when I didn't know what I was talking about. I'm really not upset by it. I know what you're saying about sampled instruments. I don't want to sound whiny, but it wasn't my intention to pass them off as sounding realistic, just somewhat closer to how they should sound. This whole thing just makes me wish the actual track had been orchestrated though... I loved Yamamoto's orchestral arranged NEP themes, and I'd love that same treatment to be given to the new opening because I'm quite a fan of it.

I will say to my defense though, that it sounds to me like the piano in the actual track is going nuts in the second half, and sounds quite dissonant. I at least think that's one area I improved upon.

[TheAldella]

Here's the link.

I really like this one. : o

[Fennekin]

I'm not really an expert either, but let me explain what I do know. Most soundfonts probably are sampled from real instruments (even the default MIDI soundfont in Windows is, though the ones on those are pretty low-quality samples) but the same is most likely also true for whatever Sumitomo used. The problem is that just sampling an instrument doesn't guarantee it will necessarily sound realistic after all the transformations the sample will go through to be able to play multiple notes. Most free (and even quite a few non-free) soundfonts tend to have this one same generic ‘MIDI feel’ which was absolutely there in your rendition.

Honestly, the arrangement itself sounded pretty accurate if nothing else (other than some really awkward wrong notes at the start, which honestly distracted me to no end) but the very obvious MIDI soundfont just completely killed it. At the very least, while Sumitomo's NEP sound cheap, it doesn't sound like it was literally played through a generic MIDI soundfont (though a couple of the other songs featuring guitars do give a bit of that feel, unfortunately).

Also, reading back my comment it unfortunately sounds unnecessarily harsh. My apologies for that, it wasn't my intention. I really should've tried to be a little more cordial.

look what you fucking did. you made him delete the good version and make a new version that sounds awful imo. please reupload the first version and ignore putos unhelpful and un
wanted critcism!

[Metalwario64]

look what you fucking did. you made him delete the good version and make a new version that sounds awful imo. please reupload the first version and ignore putos unhelpful and un
wanted critcism!

Uh... I really think this post and tone are quite unhelpful and unwarranted, though I'm no mod.

Really though, my first version had legitimate issues that Puto correctly pointed out. Plus, I overwrote my source file for my previous version, so sorry about that.

Anyhow, I didn't expect the conversation to spiral out of control like this. I just wanted to post what I thought was a neat little thing. I rushed it, didn't pay attention to certain things and I boasted too much, so I made an effort to correct all of that. Puto was correct, and I think we should leave it at that. I don't want to clog this thread up any further to be honest.

[Puto]

I did feel the urge to try and improve it though. I know it ain't perfect, and I'm no longer trying to play it off as an improvement over Sumitomo's, but I'm curious to see if I at least made it better than my last attempt. Plus, someone kept asking me to reupload it.

Here's the link. If this one is no good as well, I will take the video down and no longer clog this thread up with useless things like that.

It's definitely an improvement over what you had before. My only recommendation would be to reduce the vibrato on the main lead (and probably using a different instrument there; the one you're using sounds like something out of Ranma 1/2), it's too strong and distorts the melody too much. Other than that, it's pretty good.

[Fennekin]

I did feel the urge to try and improve it though. I know it ain't perfect, and I'm no longer trying to play it off as an improvement over Sumitomo's, but I'm curious to see if I at least made it better than my last attempt. Plus, someone kept asking me to reupload it.

Here's the link. If this one is no good as well, I will take the video down and no longer clog this thread up with useless things like that.

It's definitely an improvement over what you had before. My only recommendation would be to reduce the vibrato on the main lead (and probably using a different instrument there; the one you're using sounds like something out of Ranma 1/2), it's too strong and distorts the melody too much. Other than that, it's pretty good.

Well I don't give a shit. I liked the first version and you came in and made him remove it. I think this new version is crap (I hate these these new effects and it practically shits all over everything that was good about the first version) and I want the original version re-uploaded, please and thank you. And if it turns out that MetalWario can't anymore, I will be so mad at you Puto.

[Puto]

Then by all means be mad at me, I don't care. What I said was my honest opinion.

[Fennekin]

Then by all means be mad at me, I don't care. What I said was my honest opinion.

Well you should just keep your comments to yourself, so you wouldn't bully users into re-working their music. It was great the way it was, and you had to go ahead and insult it! How about instead of insulting other people's work, you just make your own shit so everyone's happy. Because nothing makes me more mad than to see a user like yourself who would make people take down such beautiful music!

And to MetalWario, please re-upload version 1! Keep the other version if you want, but at least give others the chance to compare the two.

[Ajay]

Well you should just keep your comments to yourself

Um, no. I don't think you quite understand how a forum works. It's about expressing opinions and discussing things posted. Metalwario64 posted something and Puto left his honest opinion. He never made him take it down; that's Metalwario's prerogative. Just because you disagree with what was said doesn't mean you have any right to talk to another forum member like that.

I didn't like his original post either; are you going to be mad at me now? C'mon now.

[VegettoEX]

Fennekin, you're way out of line. Metalwario64 seems fully capable of accepting external opinions about his work. When you publish something publicly like that and specifically ask for opinions, well, that's what you're going to get! And everything seems perfectly fine. No-one was actually rude to him about it in any way. There's zero need for your horrible language and attitude here.

[Fennekin]

Fennekin, you're way out of line. Metalwario64 seems fully capable of accepting external opinions about his work. When you publish something publicly like that and specifically ask for opinions, well, that's what you're going to get! And everything seems perfectly fine. No-one was actually rude to him about it in any way. There's zero need for your horrible language and attitude here.

What was out of line was for Puto to make MetalWario64 feel so bad, he had to remove it! This new version sucks Dragon Balls! I want the first version back online! Version 2 is complete and utter crap! Version 1 must come back!