Why didn't Akira Toriyama just introduce Gogeta instead?

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

What was the point of Vegito and a 'permanent' fusion if it was just going to be nullified anyway? And by random magic of Buu's insides no less. The Potara earrings just feel so out-of-the-blue. Really, only the ancient Supreme Kai would remember what their magical properties were yet tons of people over the course of thousands of years wore them casually with no incidents of accidental fusions?

[NitroEX]

Maybe he thought the dancing was too much of a cumbersome process especially for Vegeta to just learn on the fly.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

He's been interviewed basically saying that because he knew in advance that the anime staff were introducing Gogeta in DBZ Movie 12, he felt the need to come up with something different.

As for the Potara themselves, the only thing we know is that East Kaioshin and Kibito had incomplete training and thus had no idea about the earrings for the 5 million years they were in the Kaioshin realm after Buu's attack on the other Kaioshin. Nothing says those other members weren't fully aware of their powers though.

[Hellspawn28]

AT's version of Gogeta would have been totally different and nothing like his Movie 12 counter part. He would most likely have a different name and maybe a different design as well. I like Vegito despite him being a plot device.

[SaiyaJedi]

What was the point of Vegito and a 'permanent' fusion if it was just going to be nullified anyway? And by random magic of Buu's insides no less. The Potara earrings just feel so out-of-the-blue. Really, only the ancient Supreme Kai would remember what their magical properties were yet tons of people over the course of thousands of years wore them casually with no incidents of accidental fusions?

The production of Z Movie 12 was already underway, and he didn't want to step on the toes of the anime staff.

[Blade]

What was the point of Vegito and a 'permanent' fusion if it was just going to be nullified anyway? And by random magic of Buu's insides no less. The Potara earrings just feel so out-of-the-blue. Really, only the ancient Supreme Kai would remember what their magical properties were yet tons of people over the course of thousands of years wore them casually with no incidents of accidental fusions?

The production of Z Movie 12 was already underway, and he didn't want to step on the toes of the anime staff.

That's interesting - as I wouldn't have thought that would bother Toriyama so much.

Or at least, I would have thought that the Anime staff would have ran the idea past Toriyama first before going with it, as to not tread on his toes.

[sekzee]

As for the Potara themselves, the only thing we know is that East Kaioshin and Kibito had incomplete training and thus had no idea about the earrings for the 5 million years they were in the Kaioshin realm after Buu's attack on the other Kaioshin. Nothing says those other members weren't fully aware of their powers though.

In that case, no one should bash East Kaioshin for his incompetence.

It is clear they were all idiots for not using the Potara to fuse together and beat Buu.

[miguelnuva1]

I remember there was an interview on DBZF where Akira said he wanted something different and cooler to out due Super Gogeta in M12 so he made Super Vegetto witht he earrings.

[TrunksTrevelyan0064]

I always thought the whole "permanent fusion" issue could have been avoided by making it so the fusion ends when the fused form takes the Potara off.

[Darkprince410]

I always thought the whole "permanent fusion" issue could have been avoided by making it so the fusion ends when the fused form takes the Potara off.

While good in theory to an extent, at the same time that would logically be the one thing that any fighter would likely go after if they were fighting someone that had fused with the Potaras. An intelligent fighter (such as what Gohan Buu was with Piccolo inside him), should logically infer that the earrings are important to the fusion, and would likely go after them to try and remove them. Not really sure why we never see him try that when trying to fight Vegetto (if only to show to him that they are permanent), but the fact remains that anyone with some sense would see the Potaras as a potentially vulnerable part of the fusion and exploit it.

[KentalSSJ6]

I always thought the whole "permanent fusion" issue could have been avoided by making it so the fusion ends when the fused form takes the Potara off.

A simpler solution would be a wish from Shen Long. Then again unfusing Veggeto may fall into the same territory as turning 18 into a human again.

[xmysticgohanx]

I always thought the whole "permanent fusion" issue could have been avoided by making it so the fusion ends when the fused form takes the Potara off.

While good in theory to an extent, at the same time that would logically be the one thing that any fighter would likely go after if they were fighting someone that had fused with the Potaras. An intelligent fighter (such as what Gohan Buu was with Piccolo inside him), should logically infer that the earrings are important to the fusion, and would likely go after them to try and remove them. Not really sure why we never see him try that when trying to fight Vegetto (if only to show to him that they are permanent), but the fact remains that anyone with some sense would see the Potaras as a potentially vulnerable part of the fusion and exploit it.

If the person they were fighting was able to take their earing off in the heat of a battle then they would've won the fight regardless.

I'm pretty sure one of the reasons Gogeta wasn't used is because he wouldn't have been able to beat Buuhan even at SSJ3.

[Kaboom]

I'm pretty sure one of the reasons Gogeta wasn't used is because he wouldn't have been able to beat Buuhan even at SSJ3.

I sincerely doubt such a thing would have happened, regardless of how much fans' power levels "logic" would dictate it. I can't picture Toriyama introducing something so awesome and climactic as a Goku-Vegeta Fusion only for him to get his ass kicked.

[Puto]

I always thought the whole "permanent fusion" issue could have been avoided by making it so the fusion ends when the fused form takes the Potara off.

While good in theory to an extent, at the same time that would logically be the one thing that any fighter would likely go after if they were fighting someone that had fused with the Potaras. An intelligent fighter (such as what Gohan Buu was with Piccolo inside him), should logically infer that the earrings are important to the fusion, and would likely go after them to try and remove them. Not really sure why we never see him try that when trying to fight Vegetto (if only to show to him that they are permanent), but the fact remains that anyone with some sense would see the Potaras as a potentially vulnerable part of the fusion and exploit it.

If the person they were fighting was able to take their earing off in the heat of a battle then they would've won the fight regardless.

It's not really that hard to just focus all attacks on one earring.

[KentalSSJ6]

I'm pretty sure one of the reasons Gogeta wasn't used is because he wouldn't have been able to beat Buuhan even at SSJ3.

I sincerely doubt such a thing would have happened, regardless of how much fans' power levels "logic" would dictate it. I can't picture Toriyama introducing something so awesome and climactic as a Goku-Vegeta Fusion only for him to get his ass kicked.

Agreed. If Toriyama had indeed originally intended to go with Gogeta and instead made Veggeto for the sake of movie 12, I think it would be safe to assume he created Gogeta for the purpose of defeating Buuhan.

[Hitiro]

I'm honestly glad he didn't go with the fusion dance purely because I also feel it would have been unbelievable for Gogeta to actually put up a fight against Buuhan considering how strong Gotenks' was. I feel it wouldn't have added up right. A more powerful fusion seems fitting to me. Even if it was a plot device.

[Blade]

I'm honestly glad he didn't go with the fusion dance purely because I also feel it would have been unbelievable for Gogeta to actually put up a fight against Buuhan considering how strong Gotenks' was. I feel it wouldn't have added up right. A more powerful fusion seems fitting to me. Even if it was a plot device.

Why? Vegeta and Goku are worlds ahead of Trunks and Goten in terms of battle power and experience. A Buu-arc Gogeta would still be leagues beyond Gotenks and at least more powerful than 'Ultimate Gohan' no matter how you look at it.

[miguelnuva1]

Considering little gains for Goten and Trunks were monster gains for Gotenks Gogeta would have been in monster to Gotenks.

[Hitiro]

I'm honestly glad he didn't go with the fusion dance purely because I also feel it would have been unbelievable for Gogeta to actually put up a fight against Buuhan considering how strong Gotenks' was. I feel it wouldn't have added up right. A more powerful fusion seems fitting to me. Even if it was a plot device.

Why? Vegeta and Goku are worlds ahead of Trunks and Goten in terms of battle power and experience. A Buu-arc Gogeta would still be leagues beyond Gotenks and at least more powerful than 'Ultimate Gohan' no matter how you look at it.

Well it depends on if Gogeta would be able to whip out SSJ3 but I honestly don't think he would be able to and would just be at SSJ. You can say what you want about Trunks and Goten but they were only equal to Evil Boo when they were fighting as SSJ3 Gotenks. Goku thought that a SSJ Gotenks would beat Good Boo so that puts SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku. That means SSJ3 Gotenks is 8x SSJ3 Goku. Anyway you look at it Boohan is at least 16x SSJ3 Goku. That's not going to be beatable by SSJ Gogeta who would only be stronger than SSJ3 Goku by a bit.

[Hellspawn28]

Who knows how AT would have write Gogeta. I think SSj4 Gogeta would be more close on what AT would have in mind and SSj4 Gogeta was a just a poor man's version of Vegito.