Why didn't Akira Toriyama just introduce Gogeta instead?

[Hitiro]

Besides the line you already mentioned, he also explains how he's about to kill Janemba then lets out a little laugh when the Janemba is purified and reverts to the Oni worker.

They expand upon his personality in Raging Blast 1 though in his what if battles with Veggeto.

Really? I don't recall him saying anything other than that line. Still.. He talks less than Broly does. Also, I thought he just smiled rather than laughed.

[KentalSSJ6]

Besides the line you already mentioned, he also explains how he's about to kill Janemba then lets out a little laugh when the Janemba is purified and reverts to the Oni worker.

They expand upon his personality in Raging Blast 1 though in his what if battles with Veggeto.

Really? I don't recall him saying anything other than that line. Still.. He talks less than Broly does. Also, I thought he just smiled rather than laughed.

"I am not Goku or Vegeta, I am Gogeta! It's over Janemba, I've come for you!"

"Every force you create has a echo. Your own bad energy will be your undoing."

Basically Gogeta's personality is meant to be the opposite of Veggeto, serious and no nonsense (aside from his GT appearence.)

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Makes you wonder how Gogeta would have done in Vegito's place. Personality wise.

[Quebaz]

"I am not Goku or Vegeta, I am Gogeta! It's over Janemba, I've come for you!"

"Every force you create has a echo. Your own bad energy will be your undoing."

Basically Gogeta's personality is meant to be the opposite of Veggeto, serious and no nonsense (aside from his GT appearence.)

Those two lines are English only tho. The Japanese says
"Thank you Paikuhan, we'll take care of the rest" for the first one.
"I am neither Goku nor Vegeta, I 'm the one who'll destroy you" for the second one.

[miguelnuva1]

They literally have the same personality just Vegito handled and carried himself smarter.

I think you need to re-watch the Fusion Reborn movie. They really don't have the same personality. The only thing Gogeta said was "I am neither Goku, nor Vegeta. I am the one who will destroy you." Broly had more dialogue than that and Broly is equally as weak a character as Gogeta, personality-wise.

I'm comparing Gt Gogeta to Vegito.

[Hitiro]

I'm comparing Gt Gogeta to Vegito.

I'm ignoring GT because:

1) GT is just plain awful.

2) The SSJ4 transformation is a different thing entirely to SSJ so I would rather base two characters personalities while they are in the same form.

3) Toei tried too hard and decided they would bring back the Gotenks formula for GT. I have no idea why they would basically bring in a joke character at the end of the story, perhaps to get more views? At least with Gotenks it good taste and Gotenks did at least get a bit serious when he found out everyone was eaten at the lookout. GT just made it into a huge joke. I also honestly don't see where that personality came from either. Goku was a bit wild when he was younger but he never joked around. I can understand those personality traits coming from Gotenks because of the way Trunks and Goten are.

[miguelnuva1]

I'm comparing Gt Gogeta to Vegito.

I'm ignoring GT because:



2) The SSJ4 transformation is a different thing entirely to SSJ so I would rather base two characters personalities while they are in the same form.

3) Toei tried too hard and decided they would bring back the Gotenks formula for GT. I have no idea why they would basically bring in a joke character at the end of the story, perhaps to get more views? At least with Gotenks it good taste and Gotenks did at least get a bit serious when he found out everyone was eaten at the lookout. GT just made it into a huge joke. I also honestly don't see where that personality came from either. Goku was a bit wild when he was younger but he never joked around. I can understand those personality traits coming from Gotenks because of the way Trunks and Goten are.

2. Goku and Vegeta seemed more calm in SSJ4 really but other than that they never seemed to act different.

3. As for Gogeta it was stated that Goku's childlike behavior plus Vegeta's pride made Gogeta act like that but it was to get Omega to launch the Karma ball. Once Omega did what he needed to, Gogeta did try to go right for the kill.

Same thing Vegito was planning just Vegito handled himself smarter and had more time. If Gogeta has his whole 30 mins however his plan would have been full proof.

[Hitiro]

2. Goku and Vegeta seemed more calm in SSJ4 really but other than that they never seemed to act different.

3. As for Gogeta it was stated that Goku's childlike behavior plus Vegeta's pride made Gogeta act like that but it was to get Omega to launch the Karma ball. Once Omega did what he needed to, Gogeta did try to go right for the kill.

Same thing Vegito was planning just Vegito handled himself smarter and had more time. If Gogeta has his whole 30 mins however his plan would have been full proof.

2. Really? Goku said when he was fighting the dragons that he was more wild and ferocious in SSJ4 than he was normally. He even said he wouldn't have a problem blasting that one dragon with Pan in him.

3. Goku lost that childlike behaviour a long time ago in my opinion. And even as a child Goku never messed about like Trunks or Gohan did as Gotenks. He was always serious but a little cocky as a child. And I also don't think it was an act to get him to launch the Karma ball. I don't think they were even aiming for that to begin with otherwise they would have made a point to mention it. The negative energy would have been dispelled later after they beat Omega Shenron anyway.

[miguelnuva1]

2. Goku and Vegeta seemed more calm in SSJ4 really but other than that they never seemed to act different.

3. As for Gogeta it was stated that Goku's childlike behavior plus Vegeta's pride made Gogeta act like that but it was to get Omega to launch the Karma ball. Once Omega did what he needed to, Gogeta did try to go right for the kill.

Same thing Vegito was planning just Vegito handled himself smarter and had more time. If Gogeta has his whole 30 mins however his plan would have been full proof.

2. Really? Goku said when he was fighting the dragons that he was more wild and ferocious in SSJ4 than he was normally. He even said he wouldn't have a problem blasting that one dragon with Pan in him.

3. Goku lost that childlike behaviour a long time ago in my opinion. And even as a child Goku never messed about like Trunks or Gohan did as Gotenks. He was always serious but a little cocky as a child. And I also don't think it was an act to get him to launch the Karma ball. I don't think they were even aiming for that to begin with otherwise they would have made a point to mention it. The negative energy would have been dispelled later after they beat Omega Shenron anyway.

2. Goku said that to Nautron but the way he acts states other wise. Also Goku blasts Nautron with Pan later and he subconsciously holds back.

3. Goku was acting like a kid in the buu saga and EOZ for sure I didn't pay that much attention to GT but I remember some moments in there as well. Also it was the combination of with Vegeta's attitude and we've seen Vegeta toy with his opponents when he has the upper hand. Finally Gogeta does mention he made the negative energy postive so he could destroy the neagtive energy around the Earth and then he goes right for the kill.

[Hitiro]

2. Goku said that to Nautron but the way he acts states other wise. Also Goku blasts Nautron with Pan later and he subconsciously holds back.

Regardless of this, Goku does say he is more wild in the form. Even if he subconsciously holds back. So to say they are pretty normal in the SSJ4 form is not really right.

3. Goku was acting like a kid in the buu saga and EOZ for sure I didn't pay that much attention to GT but I remember some moments in there as well. Also it was the combination of with Vegeta's attitude and we've seen Vegeta toy with his opponents when he has the upper hand. Finally Gogeta does mention he made the negative energy postive so he could destroy the neagtive energy around the Earth and then he goes right for the kill.

When did Goku act like a kid in the Boo saga? I really don't recall anything like that. He never joked about while fighting at least. Vegeta long outgrew the attitude of toying with his opponents in the 7 years after Goku's death. He swiftly killed Pui Pui despite completely outranking him in strength. And as for Gogeta, yes, he did mention what he did to the Karma ball and goes for the kill afterwards. But as for trying to get Omega Shenron to shoot the Karma ball he never made any indication of trying to make him do that in the first place. If the writers wanted to give Gogeta a Vegetto-like moment, like the absorption thing, then they would have wrote it in that, that was Gogeta's plan all along.

[TheUltimateVegito]

SSj4 Gogeta was a just a poor man's version of Vegito.

I concur.

[Payne222]

Probably because, knowing him, he knew he was ending the series soon. And then fans wrote to Jump like "FTS WE HATE VEGETTO" so his editor said "Toriyama, reverse that shit" and he replied "は～～～～～い。ごめんなさ～～～～～～い。"

[Gogeta8001]

Because SSJ3 Gogeta would have gotten his arse kicked by Buuhan as evident by his statement.

Vegito was their only saving grace against Buuhan.

[miguelnuva1]

Because SSJ3 Gogeta would have gotten his arse kicked by Buuhan as evident by his statement.

Vegito was their only saving grace against Buuhan.

Or he didn't want to use Toei's creation.

[DieHard]

The difference beetween gogeta and gotenks would be the same as goku/vegeta to goten/trunks after the ROSAT training,so gogeta would not be strong enough to defeat boo.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

I still have a hard to believing a hypothetical Toriyama Gogeta would be so weak against Buuhan or Vegito. Why wouldn't a rival boost apply in this case? Because the Potara would be considered a "permanent" merging of their souls where a Fusion Dance otherwise wouldn't? But then how would they have unfused inside Buu in the first place? And why would they have double voices like Gotenks in the anime which was in fact suggested by Akira Toriyama? That seems to suggest the Potara is only different to the Fusion Dance in that it's easier to perform the merging and possibly grants more power. I can't accept that the two strongest warriors in the universe merged together would be no different from their seven-eight year old children..

[Kaboom]

Even though the Potara makes a more powerful Fusion than the dance, the Elder Kaioshin still said that Goku and Vegeta's individual strength and rivalry were the primary cause of Vegetto's incredible power, NOT the Potara. I see no reason why that wouldn't still be the case for the Fusion Dance, or any reason for Gogeta to be a weakling compared to Vegetto and lose to any form of Boo even with Super Saiyan 3. At the very most, I could see Gogeta struggling against Gohan-Boo at SSJ1 and needing SSJ2 to guarantee an easy win.

[Gogeta8001]

And why would you have trouble with that? Goten and Trunks weren't even that far away from their Fathers in power (the kids are at least within a 2-3X range from their fathers) so SSJ3 Gogeta falling short behind Buuhan is totally plausible.

Not only is their Buuhan's claims to back it up but Goku is confident that a Fusion Dance between him and Ultimate Gohan would be enough to take on Buutenks. Obviously, we know that the only way a Fusion between the two of them would be for Gohan to massively supress himself to Base Goku's level meaning a Dance Fusion between the two would be no different from Gogeta. And yes, Gokhan would be able to access SSJ3 if Old Kai told Goku that him fused with Gohan would be able to use SSJ even after Gohan lost his ability to do so. With that, we know...

SSJ3 Gokhan (Fusion Dance) = SSJ3 Gogeta > Buutenks

And then we have Buuhan pretty much telling them bluntly that a Fusion between them would still not work against him. If Gogeta could possibly be anywhere near Vegito's strength, I don't think Goku would even consider the idea of Potara seeing that he wouldn't have to be merged with Vegeta forever and still have enough power to crush Buu. Goku and Vegeta are very individualistic people. They told Kibitoshin straight up that they weren't going to use Potara against Pure Buu despite that being a massive help against Buu and yet Goku deems it necessary that Potara is the only way to beat Buuhan. I know someone's going to say "well it would take a long time for Goku to teach Vegeta the Fusion Technique" when he literally taught him to do it in less than a minute in M12. I don't see anything being different here. With that, we have...

SSJ Vegito >>> Buuhan > SSJ3 Gogeta > Buutenks >> Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks

[Kaboom]

I could address that point by point, but I see no need, as I don't see how any of that outweighs Old Kaioshin's very clear conclusion of, "[Vegetto] is that strong because of Goku and Vegeta, not the Potara." If Goku and Vegeta are somehow special and make for a particularly effective and strong Fusion regardless of the method used, then that's all there needs to be to it, math and power-chain "logic" be damned.

And think of it from a narrative perspective. Had Toei not beaten Toriyama to the punch with a Goku/Vegeta Fusion Dance, and Toriyama had no reason to devise another method... does anyone really expect me to believe that Goku and Vegeta would use the Fusion Dance only for Boo to still kick their asses even if they ramped it up to SSJ3?

[Low Tone G]

Gogeta's Is personally belive Gogeta could never be so strong like Vegetto because not only Goku and Vegeta has to on exactly the same power level for Gogeta, but the rival boost and some magical power-up can not be performed using the Fusion Dance. So I have Base Gogeta < Ultimate Gohan < Base Vegetto < Buutenks < Base Gokhan(Potara fusion Goku + Gohan) < < Buuhan </= SSJ Gogeta << SSJ Vegetto < SSJ Gokhan in the Buu saga. But if Goku and Vegeta were to be very close in power, Gogeta would have be only 1,5-2x weaker than Vegetto.