Why are people so obsessed with DB returning to CN?

[Mewzard]

I LOVED how Nozawa handled the whole thing. I always found that only her and Mario Castañeda can handle that scene. Sean and Edson Matus really cant. But hey! I heard Schkmmel act in other roles so he's not TOTALLY talentless. Like Edson Matus.

I completely disagree, I think Schemmel handled that whole part of the show quite well in Kai.

And when CN turned down Kai, Toonami wasn't back yet. That's the main difference. Toonami can't go after it unless the broadcast rights are given to them, which is the issue given it being on Nicktoons.

Toonami has been quite successful in both the ratings and on twitter's trending. For all the fans who can't believe Kai can be uncut and refuse to buy the DVDs to check, maybe seeing it on TV in a block they remember might help.

I want it on Toonami because I enjoy watching Toonami as is, and I would watch the show every week just alongside other stuff I like that I haven't watched.

Also, less edited versions that Funimation has to make, the less likely they end up mixing up lines or having to further rush their dubbing.

Which reaches more people, a digital cable channel many don't get or a programming block on a basic cable channel that the target audience isn't allowed to stay up to watch?

You're kidding, right? Most kids do things they aren't allowed to for as long as they can get away with it if they truly want to do it.

I was told I couldn't watch South Park at some point in my youth. That didn't stop me, I watched the movie in its uncut midnight airing on Comedy Central. I didn't do it often, but every kid's going to disobey their parents for something they want at least once or twice in their lives.

They'll end up doing it as long as they don't get caught. That's assuming their parents even know what Adult Swim is, care what their kids watch (many parents don't seem to these days beyond truly adult stuff), and the kid simply doesn't have a TV in their room (little easier to do so when you can watch the stuff with low volume in your room).

So yeah, having it on an "unapproved" block will be more likely to let kids still watch it than a channel if they don't have access to it at all.

[Puto]

Also DVRs.

[Gaffer Tape]

I was told I couldn't watch South Park at some point in my youth. That didn't stop me, I watched the movie in its uncut midnight airing on Comedy Central. I didn't do it often, but every kid's going to disobey their parents for something they want at least once or twice in their lives.

Well, sure, but once or twice do not ratings make. When I was in my early teens, and Adult Swim had *just* started, I wanted to stay up on school nights to watch Cowboy Bebop because I'd heard it was really cool. And so I did. Kept the lights off, turned the volume down really low, squinted really hard because I'd already taken my contacts out, and I did that... once or twice. After that, I just stopped bothering because it was too much of a hassle.

[Valerius Dover]

Fans want the "original", 1999, English-dubbed, guitar wailing, exposition packing, "uncut" (ha), Sabat crowded, HOLY COSMOS THAT'S ONE WHOPPER OF A LIZARD version of DBZ to air on Toonami. Sandwiched between an episode of Robotech and a Super Chunk of 2 Stupid Dogs.

Even if you gave them Kai, people would bitch that Goku didn't say their favorite line anymore, or complain that Faulconer isn't doing the music, or that Gohan and Bulma have different voices. You know, like they already do about Kai, but on a larger scale.

You mean like this guy

Aw, man. These people really make us dub fans look bad. I haven't seen the original yet, but I'm not ignorant by any means. This is from the Blu-Ray interviews, right? I skipped over most of those when I saw the linked videos, because I wanted to hear the creators of the dub speak, not the worshippers. Somebody else even said "I can't watch it in Japanese, I can only watch it in English...."

Also, what is this whopper of a lizard you speak of? I don't think I recall this line.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm not really interested in Kai, but I'd be more inclined to watch it on TV if it were in the Toonami block. Sandwiched with a giant, mostly shonen block with One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, Brotherhood, Space Dandy, etc. It's more appealing with it all being together than being on a different station by its lonesome.

[Gaffer Tape]

Also, what is this whopper of a lizard you speak of? I don't think I recall this line.

That was quietly re-dubbed when they put the "season" sets out (shame on them), but in actual season three, when Vegeta wakes up and sees Porunga for the first time, he belts out that unintentionally hilarious line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdGa-2BSFiI

[KentalSSJ6]

I'm not really interested in Kai, but I'd be more inclined to watch it on TV if it were in the Toonami block. Sandwiched with a giant, mostly shonen block with One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, Brotherhood, Space Dandy, etc. It's more appealing with it all being together than being on a different station by its lonesome.

A shame they recently lost airing rights to Inuyasha. Then again they weren't doing much with it seeing as it aired on the tail end of the block at 4 in the morning. Dont see them picking up Final Act either since its not even 30 episodes but then again they still run Fooly Cooly.

[Ringworm128]

I can't be the only one who's always been good at staying up late, As a kid of 10-12 I could handle up to 1AM, sure I'd be a bit tired the next day but it was usually worth it. Heck when I was 13 I managed to make it past 6AM.

[Gaffer Tape]

It's not about if you have the physical capacity to stay up late. It's about being a kid who doesn't have the autonomy to do so. Yeah, I could stay up as late as I want (and did)... on weekends. On school nights, though, I was expected to be in bed at a certain time and woe befell me if I was caught up later. Hell, I'd even be glared at with suspicion if I had to get up to use the bathroom. So, yeah, a network isn't going to bank on an audience that *might* get up the gumption to break the rules to watch their show once in a while. I mean, there's a reason kids' programming blocks are traditionally early in the mornings or in the afternoon: because it's not hard to guarantee a lot of kids will be watching then. That's also why more adult context is generally withheld until late at night... because kids are usually in bed and won't be able to catch them.

[AgitoZ]

Maybe when it gets a better time slot I'll understand why people want DB back on Toonami or any part of Cartoon Network for that matter.

Toonami no longer has the influence over new fans it once did and CN only has interest in toy centric Japanese animation (even then they only get played on Saturday mornings).

Until said elements change, I'll continue to view fans clamoring for its return on Toonami as having their rose-tinted glasses on too tight.

[Valerius Dover]

Also, what is this whopper of a lizard you speak of? I don't think I recall this line.

That was quietly re-dubbed when they put the "season" sets out (shame on them), but in actual season three, when Vegeta wakes up and sees Porunga for the first time, he belts out that unintentionally hilarious line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdGa-2BSFiI

Whoa......Now that is bad. I can totally see why Sabat redubbed him here, now. The only line that's the same I think was the one about shaking his composure. The remastered one had him let out a bunch of Darns and then yell one Damn it after that line.
And I thought that was kind of silly, this is........well, I'm glad I didn't see this. As you might've guessed, I'm not very familiar with the pre-Remastered English dub.

[Hellspawn28]

When I was a kid I would stay up watching Space Ghost: Coast to Coast and I was at least seven back in the late 90's. I think kids in under the second or third grade that like Kai can't stay up for it, but I would imagine the older kids would. I would imagine these are the same kids that can play Call of Duty and GTA. I think Kai uncut can work best at 11:30 PM unless Adult Swim starts Toonami at 11:00 PM now. Getting a extra time slot of Family Guy would be okay with me .

[Zephyr]

If FUNi's Kai came over to Toonami, I would have a reason to watch TV again. It would be nice. It would be cozy to watch my favorite show on my favorite animated block from my childhood once again, only finally done right. It would feel like the show's life on broadcast television in the States would have finally come full circle.

[DoomieDoomie911]

The main reason they want it on Toonami (other than the fact that they might not have Nicktoons) is nostalgia.

[Mewzard]

It's not about if you have the physical capacity to stay up late. It's about being a kid who doesn't have the autonomy to do so. Yeah, I could stay up as late as I want (and did)... on weekends. On school nights, though, I was expected to be in bed at a certain time and woe befell me if I was caught up later. Hell, I'd even be glared at with suspicion if I had to get up to use the bathroom. So, yeah, a network isn't going to bank on an audience that *might* get up the gumption to break the rules to watch their show once in a while. I mean, there's a reason kids' programming blocks are traditionally early in the mornings or in the afternoon: because it's not hard to guarantee a lot of kids will be watching then. That's also why more adult context is generally withheld until late at night... because kids are usually in bed and won't be able to catch them.

But Toonami IS now on weekends, so that won't be an issue either.

And I always stayed up ridiculously late as a kid, so I watched Adult Swim all the time. For a number of years, I could survive on about 3 hours of sleep due to the medicine I was on...thankfully that time is over. Now, since I have college classes in the afternoon, I tend to go to sleep around Adult Swim's end anyways.

Kai would be good for Toonami, to give it another high ratings show. That could allow the arc to expand to even earlier. It already starts at 10:30PM my time, we could get it even earlier if interests continues.

Like I said, Kai being on Toonami can be good to show the old fans of the show that the series IS uncut, since they won't pay for a release they think is edited. It's free and informing in that manner.

Nostalgia is nice, but I would also appreciate being able to enjoy Kai back to back with other anime.

[AgitoZ]

Toonami stuff.

Doesn't this defeat the whole purpose of both Toonami and Kai? Both the timeslot and reversioning were meant to attract new people to "anime". By segregating it to being sandwhiched in between others and on a less favorable time you fail to get any this accomplished.

[Cure Dragon 255]

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!

NO ONE seems to get this into their heads, DBZKai true purpose is to introduce CHILDREN into the franchise and more importantly into ANIME IN GENERAL.

[Hellspawn28]

Why not have Toonami start at 11:00 PM? They can have Kai Uncut at 11:00 PM then Attack on Titan on 11:30 PM. I'm still hoping Tiger & Bunny and the 2005-2006 Guyver series will be pick up by Toonami soon.

[Mewzard]

Toonami stuff.

Doesn't this defeat the whole purpose of both Toonami and Kai? Both the timeslot and reversioning were meant to attract new people to "anime". By segregating it to being sandwhiched in between others and on a less favorable time you fail to get any this accomplished.

Are you telling me kids wouldn't stay up to the not so difficult 10:30 PM to watch Kai on a Saturday? The younger kids especially don't tend to be going out on Saturday nights unless there's a sleep over or something.

If Toonami were running weekdays, yeah, you'd have a point. But weekends are for kids to stay up later than normal and have fun.

Plus, yeah, this is the era of DVRs. I record all of Toonami and watch it whenever I'm ready. Have one right in my room for any casual viewing I may want to make later on. DVRs make missing shows a worry of the past (could have used DVRs many years before I actually got one).

[Cure Dragon 255]

Because its not a a time where it could be seen by the most kids? Why is it so hard to accept that Toonami wont air DBZ again? You said it yourself, nostalgia is nice but its time to go on.