Buu Saga Kai

[penguintruth]

Kamesennin loves the number of episodes for the Buu arc.

[Hellspawn28]

The end of July seems an odd place to finish; the summer anime season tends to start around late June

It depends if the show goes on hiatus. I hear the World Cup starts on June 12 to July 13 and it could interfere Kai. Rumor has that Kamen Rider Gaim (Another Toei show) might end soon due to the World Cup.

[spikevegeta]

So here's my current feeling on the Episode Count of Dragon Ball Kai Buu Arc. To me, as rushed as Episode 100 felt, 99 and 101 we're both really good pacing wise. LOVED tonight's episode. From the looks of it, 102 will cover at least through Vegeta destroying the punching bag. Hate to do this, but I'm gonna apply math. I'm doing this because outside of the completely re-done "Great Saiyaman Reveal" the first 3 episodes have basically matched the manga panel-for-panel giving us a BLAZING pace to say the least.

Now the Buu Arc in the Manga is 1280 Pages(I went through and counted, didn't include any title/chapter cards, only actual content. Through only 3 episodes, they've covered 118 Pages already. If you throw in Episode 102 from the preview, we will AT LEAST cover through Vegeta destroying the punching bag as mentioned above, which would mean at least 35 more pages covered in 102. So that's 153 Pages in 4 episodes, meaning 38.25 Pages covered per episode so far. If Kai kept that pace, the arc would be 32.5 Episodes. MUCH less then 69 episodes.

Now, I highly doubt the show will move THAT fast. While they've basically cut all the filler so far, stuff like extending fights(Goku/Vegeta, Vegito/Buu, SSJ2Goku/Kid Buu) will be included, not sure how much else would be kept in though, considering their pacing philosophy they've shown so far.

Now let's just say that the 69 episode count is fact. If you remove the first 4 episodes, which came to 153 chapters, then that leaves 1127 pages for 65 episodes, which would mean every other episode would only cover about 17.2 Pages per. Barely over a chapter per episode. DBZ Buu Episodes covered 1.3 chapters per episode already, so are they REALLY going to slow it to that pace?

The only way I can make sense of that sort of episode count is that 1/3rd of the way or so through production, there was a meeting where they decided the show needed a MUCH bigger episode count for whatever reason, so they went from cutting ALL filler to cutting NO filler. That's the kind of extreme we are looking at if 69 is true.

To note, I went back through the show a few years back, before the show was originally cancelled at the end of the Cell arc, and predicted the Buu Arc would take 48 episodes, so about mid-way between the 32 episode Blazing Manga pacing and the 69 episode stretch things out Pacing. I still feel pretty good that is the actual episode count roughly. Here it is:

99: Gohan goes to High School, Bulma makes him an outfit, Great Saiyaman starts two reckless drivers.
100: Videl finds out he's Gohan, tells him fight in the Tournament, Goku says he will fight too.
101: Gohan starts training with Goten, Goten goes SSJ, Videl comes over.
102: Videl learns how to fly, lots of training stuff, Videl flies home.
103: Everyone goes to the Tournament, Goku shows up, Vegeta breaks the Punching Machine.
104: Junior Division, Goten and Trunks have the first round of their fight.
105: Trunks wins, punches Satan out of the ring.
106: We meet Supreme Kai, All the matches are set.
107: Krillin wins, Piccolo gives up, Videl and Spopovich get up to where Spopovich is flying up to her.
108: Spopovich beats Videl, Gohan starts going SSJ against Kibito.
109: Yamu/Spopovich steal Gohan's energy, everyone follows them, Gohan and Kibito leave Videl behind.
110: Babidi is revealed, Vegeta and Pui Pui square off.
111: Vegeta/Goku win, Dabura says he will fight in Level 3.
112: All Battle Royal Stuff, finishing with Satan winning.
113: Dabura/Gohan fight, Vegeta is turned Majin, Vegeta blows up half the arena.
114: Vegeta states how much he hates Goku, Goku/Vegeta fight, ending with Goku kicking Vegeta into the cave in DBZ episode 230.
115: Goku/Vegeta fight more, Buu's egg hatches, Buu is about to form.
116: Buu knocks out Dabura, knocks both Gohan/Supreme Kai into the ground.
117: Buu eats Dabura, Vegeta shows up, starts beating up Buu.
118: Buu turns the tables on Vegeta, Piccolo slices Babidi in half, Vegeta blows up.
119: Majin Buu/Babidi are still alive, Goku wakes up, Shenron is summoned.
120: Everyone is brought back life, Kibito/Kai leave with Gohan, Babidi tells everyone to look for Goten/Trunks/Piccolo.
121: Gohan is brought to the Kai World, Goku starts teaching the boys fusion, Gohan pulls out the Zeta Sword, Babidi says he's heading to West City.
122: Goku goes SSJ3, Goku and Majin Buu fight a bunch.
123: Goku leaves the fight, Buu kills Babidi/goes on a rampage, Goku continues teaching Fusion.
124: Buu makes his house, Goku goes back to the afterlife/finds Gohan, Piccolo starts teaching Fusion.
125: Buu meets the blind boy, Old Kai comes out of the broken sword/starts powering up Gohan.
126: Gotenks is formed, comes back beaten up. Satan messes with Buu, ends with him giving Buu a bath.
127: Super Gotenks is formed, Bee is shot, Satan beats up the two men.
128: Satan is shot, Evil Buu forms/eats Fat Buu, Super Buu goes to the lookout.
129: Buu kills everyone else on earth, enters the Room of Spirit and Time.
130: Gotenks/Buu fight, Piccolo blows up the door.
131: Buu escapes and eats everyone, Gotenks/Piccolo escape, Gotenks beats up Super Buu.
132: Gotenks de-fuses, Gohan shows up/beats up Super Buu, Super Buu prepares to blow up.
133: Buu explodes, Dende/Satan are found, Buu absorbs Gotenks/Piccolo, starts to beat up Gohan.
134: More Buu/Gohan fighting, Old Kai gives his life to Goku, Goku shows up and chops Buu in half.
135: Buu Absorbs Gohan, Goku/Vegeta fight Buu, Vegetto is formed.
136: Lots of Vegetto/Buu fighting, ends with Vegetto being turned into candy.
137: More fighting, Vegetto gets absorbed, ends with Goku/Vegeta finding the others.
138: Goku/Vegeta fight Buu, escape with the others, Buu turns into Kid Buu.
139: Supreme Kai flashbacks, Kid Buu blows up Earth, reforms in space.
140: Kid Buu goes to Kai planet, Goku/Kid Buu fight, Vegeta steps in and starts getting beaten up.
141: Goku jumps back in, Vegeta shows respect, starts getting beaten up to give Goku time, Kid Buu spits out Fat Buu after Satan steps in.
142: Fat Buu/Kid Buu start fighting, Goku loses SSJ3, Vegeta makes his wishes and tells Goku to prepare the Genki-Dama.
143: Lots of pleading to earthlings, Satan tells them to give their energy, Goku finishes the Genki-Dama.
144: Goku kills Kid Buu, everyone is happy up on Kami's lookout.
145: 10 years later, everyone goes to the tournament in search of the "New Buu", we meet Pan, she fights.
146: Goku/Uub Fight, Goku and him fly off to train.

To note, they will already be 1 episode AHEAD of this pace through 102, I thought Vegeta wouldn't destroy the bag until the end of 103, not 102.

[Fizzer]

So here's my current feeling on the Episode Count of Dragon Ball Kai Buu Arc. To me, as rushed as Episode 100 felt, 99 and 101 we're both really good pacing wise. LOVED tonight's episode. From the looks of it, 102 will cover at least through Vegeta destroying the punching bag. Hate to do this, but I'm gonna apply math. I'm doing this because outside of the completely re-done "Great Saiyaman Reveal" the first 3 episodes have basically matched the manga panel-for-panel giving us a BLAZING pace to say the least.

Now the Buu Arc in the Manga is 1280 Pages(I went through and counted, didn't include any title/chapter cards, only actual content. Through only 3 episodes, they've covered 118 Pages already. If you throw in Episode 102 from the preview, we will AT LEAST cover through Vegeta destroying the punching bag as mentioned above, which would mean at least 35 more pages covered in 102. So that's 153 Pages in 4 episodes, meaning 38.25 Pages covered per episode so far. If Kai kept that pace, the arc would be 32.5 Episodes. MUCH less then 69 episodes.

Now, I highly doubt the show will move THAT fast. While they've basically cut all the filler so far, stuff like extending fights(Goku/Vegeta, Vegito/Buu, SSJ2Goku/Kid Buu) will be included, not sure how much else would be kept in though, considering their pacing philosophy they've shown so far.

Now let's just say that the 69 episode count is fact. If you remove the first 4 episodes, which came to 153 chapters, then that leaves 1127 pages for 65 episodes, which would mean every other episode would only cover about 17.2 Pages per. Barely over a chapter per episode. DBZ Buu Episodes covered 1.3 chapters per episode already, so are they REALLY going to slow it to that pace?

The only way I can make sense of that sort of episode count is that 1/3rd of the way or so through production, there was a meeting where they decided the show needed a MUCH bigger episode count for whatever reason, so they went from cutting ALL filler to cutting NO filler. That's the kind of extreme we are looking at if 69 is true.

Damn, that's not good. These early episodes should have actually covered LESS pages than the later ones, because they're so story-oriented and dialogue-heavy, which means that each page translates into more screen time than a page of fighting, which should really be a matter of seconds.

I'm hoping there's been some kind of mistake or misunderstanding. Maybe the 69 number is completely false... or maybe it's the total episode count for the Buu arc and GT Kai?

[sintzu]

I'm hoping there's been some kind of mistake or misunderstanding.

I think it's a mistake cause masako nozawa said the episode count had been cut in half which would mean 92/2=46 and that the show would run for 1 year so at the veary most it would be 48 episodes

[Ajay]

I'm confused as to why you all think it's a mistake.

It's literally on Toei's site http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2014/04/16/to ... -episodes/

[sintzu]

I'm confused as to why you all think it's a mistake.

It's literally on Toei's site http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2014/04/16/to ... -episodes/

We know it's there but it dosen't go with what masako said

[Ajay]

So we're taking a non-specific, off-hand statement from a voice actor over Toei's own site.

Interesting.

[dbboxkaifan]

I'm confused as to why you all think it's a mistake.

It's literally on Toei's site http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2014/04/16/to ... -episodes/

Another thing that's odd about it is the number of episodes they chose; 69. That's not exactly a number you'd want to associate with Dragon Ball unless you'd want to have Muten Roshi around.

[Gonstead]

I'm confused as to why you all think it's a mistake.

It's literally on Toei's site http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2014/04/16/to ... -episodes/

Another thing that's odd about it is the number of episodes they chose; 69. That's not exactly a number you'd want to associate with Dragon Ball unless you'd want to have Muten Roshi around.

The only people who will think and associate with such a (frankly quite childish by this point) joke are those with their minds deep enough into the gutter because lulz u sed 69 hurr durr.

It's quite frankly on the level of pointless nitpicking. I certainly never even thought of any such thing.

[sintzu]

So we're taking a non-specific, off-hand statement from a voice actor over Toei's own site.

Interesting.

Seeing as how she did the voice work for evry episodes i think she's a reliable source for info,There will be 4 endings 1 for each qurter so we will know how many episodes there are once the ending changes

[Ajay]

More reliable than the company that makes the show? More reliable than an official source outright stating the amount of episodes instead of an unspecific estimation?

[Fizzer]

It's not just a matter of taking her word over Toei's, it's a matter of what she said making much more sense than what they said.

[TheGmGoken]

What did Ms. Nozawa say bout ep count?

[sintzu]

What did Ms. Nozawa say bout ep count?

The episodes have been cut in half from what they were in Z

[sintzu]

More reliable than an official source outright stating the amount of episodes instead of an unspecific estimation?

The arc will run for a year and the episodes number has been cut in half

How is that unspecific ?

and toie isn't pefect so they have as big of a chance of making a mistake as she does

[EmmaWinters]

and toie isn't pefect so they have as big of a chance of making a mistake as she does

Toei made the show. I'm going to assume they know how many episodes they produced.

I can't find anywhere that has Nozawa making such a claim, but I found the Nikkan Sports article link posted by kei17, where the claim of a halved episode count was removed, likely because it was false. I hope I'm wrong, though. I'd greatly prefer 46 episodes to 69.

[sintzu]

and toie isn't pefect so they have as big of a chance of making a mistake as she does

Toei made the show. I'm going to assume they know how many episodes they produced.

Nozawa voiced the show. I'm going to assume she knows how many episodes she voiced.

[Fizzer]

Toei made the show. I'm going to assume they know how many episodes they produced.

Anyone who has anything to do with the website more than likely has nothing to do with production. Those bits of information probably go through four or five people before they hit the website.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Where is everyone getting the information that Nozawa said the episode count will be halved from Z?
Are you sure it wasn't misphrased? (if that's a word).

Also, actors do have a tendency to lie. Not sure why'd she lie about this but people really shouldn't take what actors says serious.