Unpopular DB opinions

[TheAldella]

Fine, then. Here's one. I prefer the Bebi introductory saga over the Androids saga.

[thatdbzguy]

How are the villains better in your opinion?

They're not as boring and goal-less as Cell and the Androids.

[thekingfallsdown]

How are the villains better in your opinion?

They're not as boring and goal-less as Cell and the Androids.

I actually understand your point about the androids being particularly uninteresting. I can't tell you the amount of times sitting through all the filler waiting for something to happen only for them to cut back to them bickering in the Van... Ah.. (I like filler, but as a first time watcher, it was rather dull) As for Cell, all that filler was fine for the most part, though second form Cell screaming at Android 18 over and over got rather dull. This is of course me reading into this without in prior knowledge of this conversation.

[ABED]

How are the villains better in your opinion?

They're not as boring and goal-less as Cell and the Androids.

What constitutes a goal to you?

[Basaku]

I think I like FUNimation's 'Bit by Bit' even more than the original version. And I only heard the former for the first time a month ago lol. Qualifies as unpopular opinion?

[TheGmGoken]

How are the villains better in your opinion?

They're not as boring and goal-less as Cell and the Androids.

Still didn't answer my question

Doesn't matter you're comparing A SERIES to one arc. Think about it. If I saw Gurren Lagann is better than Boo arc then that makes no since. You can't compare Series to arc. That's just..,,,,I can't even find a word.

Now this one ThatDBZGUY isn't for you. But is just my opinion on the Cell Arc. Which seems to be the least liked Arc(Z era not counting Garlic) here at Kanzenshuu. So it's an unpopular opinion.

Honestly I always liked it. But Kanzenshuu had lots of Cell haters for some reason =/. So I forgot why I liked it. So I re-watched BOTH arcs and the Boo Arc bored me. Wasn't that exciting IMHO. Cell Arc while different tone than most of the series was honestly pretty good. For Toriyama style of just writing along with little planning. IT COULD have been a BIG mess but it's not. Give props when it's do. Also it showed a PROPER passing of the torch from Goku and Vegeta never fighting again was kinda cool and I can see that happening. Everything seems to be the ending and have closure. Hell if we go by the Anime that's even more true as during the beam struggle everyone stated their opinions on Goku and Gohan. Pretty much character development. I also don't find Gohan OOC no more(DO NOT START A "IS GOHAN OOC" debate.). As he expected his father to be the strongest and save the day but now the world rest on Gohan. Kinda cool. Yea Goku helped Gohan win but that's was cool. Everything was perfect and honestly feel that Kanzenshuu overall bashes it because it wasn't "Gag" or "Dragonball" like. Hell I think they also overly bash the Cyborgs and Cell. Cell is now in my top villains list for DBZ and Top 25 for ALL Fiction. Cyborgs was different cause wasn't out to destroy(Main Timeline) but just to have fun.

Sure when they did fight they kick some ass. But it was just a game to them. To the people saying "They don't have a goal" then what was Boo's goal? To destroy? Does that count as "Goals"? Boo only thought was to destroy even as he got smarter. Fat Boo was just finding himself in the world which was cool but ALL other Boo's was just to DESTROY. I don't count that as a "goal". Cell first goal was to become perfect. THAT's a goal. Once he became perfect isn't he just a Saiyan? Loves to fight? Want a challenge. Had he destroyed Earth most likely he would have looked for stronger fighters to test his perfection. Once he became "Super" perfect he was arguably insane but calm at the same time. So basically I feel the Cyborg-Cell Arc was awesome. So thus I change the order of my Z era to.
Freeza
Saiyan=Cell
Boo

The only thing Boo Arc had that was cool to me POST Vegeta's suicide was Goten before he became Gotenks. I like how serious he got when Chi Chi died. Not to mention his Teen age character design(My Avatar) is my favorite in ALL of FICTION. I love it . But Cell Arc had better closure and ending than Piccolo Jr Arc and GT.

[ABED]

Destruction is goal of sorts, and there are people out there who just want to destroy stuff, they're called "nihilists".

[TheGmGoken]

Destruction is goal of sorts, and there are people out there who just want to destroy stuff, they're called "nihilists".

But that not his GOAL. He doesn't know any better. It's like this. Freeza knew his goal was to take over planets and kill. However Boo doesn't know that. Pure(kid) Boo can't think "Wow! Do I really want to do this? Do I want to destroy". It's like saying Shenlong's goal in life is to grant wishes. He can't do anything else(Unless he turns into Black Smoke Dragon and make the Dragons )

Kid Boo just doesn't know better. He's a child with no manners and a one-track mind: to destroy, destroy, destroy because that's all he knows. He ain't evil at all. Freeza, on the other hand... That son of a b***** is evil. He laughs while torturing and killing in front of their parents to get what he wants. When he goes home with the Dragon Balls or Immortal Life at the end of the day, he doesn't give to ****s about who had to suffer or die for him to be at his peak happiness that night in space.

Fat Boo was smarter than Kiddy and he couldn't tell the difference between right and wrong. Evil is something that needs to be understood by the person itself and understood as wrong. Kid Boo and on a slightly lesser extent Janemba can't really be described as evil because as said, they're born evil and don't understand their actions. Though you could make an argument for Super Janemba.

Freeza though. He knows what he's doing is wrong. He knows he's the baddest thing in the galaxy and he knows that he can do whatever he want and if someone has a problem, he'll choke them out and laugh. He has no excuse, nothing to make him nicer or more pleasant or understandable. He was cold hearted to the very core and he made sure you were in class to write it all down.

So like Fat Boo was FINDING himself as a person rather than killing as his master wanted. His goal was to protect Satan and become good. The other Boo..the evil ones had NO CHOICE and thus not their Goal. Boo doesn't want to destroy that's ALL he know. Freeza fits that MUCH more than Boo. My review isn't about their Goals though. It's about the entire Cell Arc. In which I found all the character having goals.

[Basaku]

Not to mention his Teen age character design(My Avatar) is my favorite in ALL of FICTION. I love it

So do I. It was a perfect design for his 'adult' form. Didn't look like Goku clone anymore and would (potentially) look unique in SSJ forms as well. I love Toriyama, but he really phoned it in with GT character designs. Speaking of which: SSJ4 > SSJG design by a MILE. SSJG fake fan design > actual SSJG design by a MILE as well



What a beauty <3

[MediaFanGirl93]

Destruction is goal of sorts, and there are people out there who just want to destroy stuff, they're called "nihilists".

More like what TV Tropes calls "Onicidal Maniacs."

[ABED]

Destruction is goal of sorts, and there are people out there who just want to destroy stuff, they're called "nihilists".

More like what TV Tropes calls "Onicidal Maniacs."

Why does nearly everyone on here turn to that website? I'm saying that in real life those people exist, but they just don't have the physical power that fantasy stories allow.

But that not his GOAL. He doesn't know any better. It's like this. Freeza knew his goal was to take over planets and kill. However Boo doesn't know that. Pure(kid) Boo can't think "Wow! Do I really want to do this? Do I want to destroy". It's like saying Shenlong's goal in life is to grant wishes. He can't do anything else(Unless he turns into Black Smoke Dragon and make the Dragons )

I see what you're getting at, but not my point. I wasn't referring to any character in particular. Shen Long isn't a being with freedom of choice. He's merely a being that grants wishes, he has no goals. I agree that Kid Buu isn't technically evil, but he is definitely dangerous and does have a goal, or a desired result.

[TheGmGoken]

He dangerous but only Fat boo had goals

[ABED]

He dangerous but only Fat boo had goals

what's your definition of a goal?

[Kid Buu]

Agreed with GmGoken on the Buu arc. It just went downhill after Vegeta died for me. Gotenks is built up but loses due to plot. Then Gohan is bulit up as the real hero, but loses due to plot. Goku and Vegeta return as Vegetto and still lose due to plot. Everything there just jerks the viewer too much. The final fight is good, mostly due to Mr. Satan's role.

Currently rewatching the Cell Arc in Kai, let's see how that goes.

[ABED]

Agreed with GmGoken on the Buu arc. It just went downhill after Vegeta died for me. Gotenks is built up but loses due to plot. Then Gohan is bulit up as the real hero, but loses due to plot. Goku and Vegeta return as Vegetto and still lose due to plot. Everything there just jerks the viewer too much. The final fight is good, mostly due to Mr. Satan's role.

Currently rewatching the Cell Arc in Kai, let's see how that goes.

When you say "due to plot", that's as opposed to?

I love the final fight against Kid Buu and even enjoy a lot of the Vegetto stuff (though 4 episodes is a little much), but I do agree that it seems like so much new stuff was introduced only to fail.

I think the dance episode at the end of the Buu arc was a FAR better ending than Goku leaving with Uub.

[thomas1up]

I don't think Goten and Trunks being able to become Super Saiyans easy is actually that weird, it made a lot of sense IMO.

I liked BoG but the fight scenes were disappointing, not so much because they were lackluster but because of the horrible CGI they chucked in..

[Kid Buu]

When you say "due to plot", that's as opposed to?

Mainly that some things felt poorly executed and were just there so Toriyama could move the plot along. Like Gohan not catching an earring, even though he can catch bullets. Or Vegetto defusing due to smelly air....what the fuck?

[ABED]

When you say "due to plot", that's as opposed to?

Mainly that some things felt poorly executed and were just there so Toriyama could move the plot along. Like Gohan not catching an earring, even though he can catch bullets. Or Vegetto defusing due to smelly air....what the fuck?

I'm with you on the Gohan thing. Though I wouldn't blame that on plot, it's just lazy writing, but I'm splitting hairs.

I don't know if Vegetto defused due to smelly air, but being inside of a magical being is about as good as any reason to defuse when what put them together in the first place was a pair of earrings.

[Basaku]

Agreed with GmGoken on the Buu arc. It just went downhill after Vegeta died for me. Gotenks is built up but loses due to plot. Then Gohan is bulit up as the real hero, but loses due to plot. Goku and Vegeta return as Vegetto and still lose due to plot. Everything there just jerks the viewer too much. The final fight is good, mostly due to Mr. Satan's role.

Currently rewatching the Cell Arc in Kai, let's see how that goes.

Which is why I like it. It plays against the series' own tropes and audience's expectations well. Overall in Z saga it rounds up perfectly with the 3 main bad guys. Frieza gets ultimately defeated by the main hero after big power-up. Cell gets defeated by not-main hero. Buu gets defeated with key contribution from 'ordinary' person with good heart, as well as all other people on the planet. What a perfect ending. It's why GT falls so flat in comparsion. By accident, listening-not-listening to fans or just his own genius, Toriyama really pulled of Z saga amazingly well in the end, it didn't get stuck in way too predictable patterns it could've so easily.

[ABED]

Agreed with GmGoken on the Buu arc. It just went downhill after Vegeta died for me. Gotenks is built up but loses due to plot. Then Gohan is bulit up as the real hero, but loses due to plot. Goku and Vegeta return as Vegetto and still lose due to plot. Everything there just jerks the viewer too much. The final fight is good, mostly due to Mr. Satan's role.

Currently rewatching the Cell Arc in Kai, let's see how that goes.

Which is why I like it. It plays against the series' own tropes and audience's expectations well. Overall in Z saga it rounds up perfectly with the 3 main bad guys. Freeza gets ultimately defeated by the main hero after big power-up. Cell gets defeated by not-main hero. Buu gets defeated with key contribution from 'ordinary' person with good heart, as well as all other people on the planet. What a perfect ending. It's why GT falls so flat in comparsion. By accident, listening-not-listening to fans or just his own genius, Toriyama really pulled of Z saga amazingly well in the end, it didn't get stuck in way too predictable patterns it could've so easily.

I agree that having normal people contribute to the final bad guy's demise was a great ending, unfortunately it doesn't build to that moment. When you summarize everything like you did, you can make pretty much anything sound good, it's all about execution. Case in point, GT. What if you didn't know anything about GT, and someone told you the story first harkens back to the first days of Dragon Ball then evolves into a story where a being from the Saiyans' past comes back to haunt them, and finally the show ends with the Dragon Balls turning on our heroes. That sounds great to me, I'm sold. Unfortunately, the execution was lackluster.