What's with the love for filler?

[Hellspawn28]

I don't get why people bitch about the filler getting cut out of Kai? In the past, people felt like DBZ had too much filler and it ruined the show's pacing. Now we have people that want the filler in the show and not taken out. If they did a Kai version of Naruto or Bleach, people will be jumping for joy. I like some filler and I can see why people enjoy it, but filler in the show never added anything to plot. Most of the filler was ignore in the show and was never brought or seen again. For example, Dr. Flappe was retcon out of existence when Gero show up later on.

[ABED]

I don't get why people bitch about the filler getting cut out of Kai? In the past, people felt like DBZ had too much filler and it ruined the show's pacing. Now we have people that want the filler in the show and not taken out. If they did a Kai version of Naruto or Bleach, people will be jumping for joy. I like some filler and I can see why people enjoy it, but filler in the show never added anything to plot. Most of the filler was ignore in the show and was never brought or seen again. For example, Dr. Flappe was retcon out of existence when Gero show up later on.

The plot was fairly simple. Bad guys show up, good guys do their best to take them down. Filler at its best won't add to the plot but will add more the characters and make them feel more fleshed out, show a little more of a fight, show something that's only alluded to in the manga, or can provide some good comedy.

[Marco Polo]

Dragon Ball Minus made us realize filler can be better than Toriyama's version.

[ABED]

While it's not Toriyama's work, the Bardock special is canon, but I prefer the war torn planet Vegeta we see in the Pendulum Room episode.

[Gaffer Tape]

the Bardock special is canon

Hmm... Sure about that? And canon to what? The manga? Not that it was ever explicitly said to be so beforehand, but, um, Dragon Ball Minus would appear to throw all that out the window.

[Basaku]

It's more about the editing. Even though a lot of stuff was filler, the episodes were constructed with filler as part of it and thus it's not easy to cut out stuff. Garlic Jr. is one thing, trimming down interconnected scenes and episodes from main arcs is another

[Valerius Dover]

I don't have any problem with filler at all, actually. I don't object to it getting cut from Kai, either. If Kai was EXACTLY like Z, there wouldn't be much point to it, would there? I mean, seriously. People complaining about it should just re-watch the original. Personally, I like to experience different versions. Now, if only it really WAS true to the manga and didn't skip over Goku's childhood....

[Gokuden]

I don't have any problem with filler at all, actually. I don't object to it getting cut from Kai, either. If Kai was EXACTLY like Z, there wouldn't be much point to it, would there? I mean, seriously. People complaining about it should just re-watch the original. Personally, I like to experience different versions. Now, if only it really WAS true to the manga and didn't skip over Goku's childhood....

If Kai was like Z, the Dragon Boxes would be worthless.

[Hellspawn28]

I understand nostalgia is a factor as well, but nostalgia is not always good. Some TV shows I liked as a kid that I have nostalgia for, but I can admit that they are bad. Filler to me also creates bigger plot holes in the story. The Human Z fighters can beat The Ginyu Force when Vegeta had a hard time beating them. So would that mean that Yamucha is stronger then Vegeta now?

[Kojiro Sasaki]

I don't get why people bitch about the filler getting cut out of Kai?

There is some filler I enjoy, there is nostalgia and I can skip the rest of it by myself instead of paying money for that I can watch almost everything that has this specific atmosphere created by this old school way of storytelling, music, voice acting and animation. Kai destroyed almost everything that I liked about the anime adaptation of the manga so I'm not interested in it.

Don't forget that no one else but Toriyama-sensei himself contributed a little bit to some of the filler. Also, as I said in “Unpopular opinions” thread, waiting for action makes me more interested in it. The more filler I watch, the more I want to see the essential scenes. It's like with... you know what I guess that's just human nature

[Kid Buu]

This whole filler concept is a mental block that plagues the internet anime fandom. If something is episodic as opposed to part of a multi-episode plot arc, it gets dismissed out of hand and kicked to the curb regardless of whether the episode in question is entertaining or boring on its own merits.

Yes, I enjoy most of the fillers. Toei made some some creative fillers until around the end of the Freeza arc, but I'm not too keen on the latter arcs as I am the early DB arcs so it doesn't really bother me.

[Valerius Dover]

I don't get why people bitch about the filler getting cut out of Kai?

There is some filler I enjoy, there is nostalgia and I can skip the rest of it by myself instead of paying money for that I can watch almost everything that has this specific atmosphere created by this old school way of storytelling, music, voice acting and animation. Kai destroyed almost everything that I liked about the anime adaptation of the manga so I'm not interested in it.

Don't forget that no one else but Toriyama-sensei himself contributed a little bit to some of the filler. Also, as I said in “Unpopular opinions” thread, waiting for action makes me more interested in it. The more filler I watch, the more I want to see the essential scenes. It's like with... you know what I guess that's just human nature

The Vegeta Saga did have a long wait, but it felt satisfying afterwards. It really felt like a year had passed. I haven't seen Kai yet, but looking at the episode count, I can imagine that it's more of a "and then a year passed, SZMOOF" kind of thing. So, the wait is worthwhile, I'll say. Don't know about that "you know what" you mentioned, since I'm only 17....and a nerd. But I can imagine that it's like getting Christmas Presents, though. Rip 'em open now, or wait in anticipation?

[dbboxkaifan]

I personally disliked the filler before the Cell Games started but Garlic Junior arc was throughly enjoyable, it felt natural, relaxing and Goku wasn't the one to save everyone.

#DeadZoneAndTheGarlicJuniorArc

[VegettoEX]

Something that our buddy Scott Melzer (been on the podcast a few times) has said that sums it up pretty succinctly is:

For North American fans who got into the series when FUNimation was first releasing it, the long fight to get an uncut release of the series was something we take pride in and won't forget. The idea of actively wanting an edited version of the series flies in the face of that.

[ABED]

Something that our buddy Scott Melzer (been on the podcast a few times) has said that sums it up pretty succinctly is:

For North American fans who got into the series when FUNimation was first releasing it, the long fight to get an uncut release of the series was something we take pride in and won't forget. The idea of actively wanting an edited version of the series flies in the face of that.

I remember those days when people were upset about stuff being cut out, and then being baffled when I found people being upset about filler.

Hmm... Sure about that? And canon to what? The manga? Not that it was ever explicitly said to be so beforehand, but, um, Dragon Ball Minus would appear to throw all that out the window.

What else would it be canon to? Dragon Ball of course. Bardock was incorporated into the manga for a little bit.

I've never seen Minus, so I can't comment.

This whole filler concept is a mental block that plagues the internet anime fandom. If something is episodic as opposed to part of a multi-episode plot arc, it gets dismissed out of hand and kicked to the curb regardless of whether the episode in question is entertaining or boring on its own merits.

That's not limited to anime. Plenty of American live action shows get reamed for being filler.

[Gaffer Tape]

What else would it be canon to? Dragon Ball of course. Bardock was incorporated into the manga for a little bit.

I've never seen Minus, so I can't comment.

Sorry, but it seems pretty obvious to me that since I followed that question up with "the manga?" that I was asking if that's what you were saying it was canon to (as in, opposed to the anime's continuity). And while the idea of Bardock existing and standing up to Freeza was incorporated into the manga, that's all that was, so it's never explicitly been confirmed that the Bardock special in its entirety is part of the manga continuity. The reason I bring all of this up is that Dragon Ball Minus VERY explicitly contradicts almost everything that happens in the Bardock special: who Bardock is, what his relationship to Goku is, how Goku gets to earth in the first place, how Vegeta was spared. So if we are to take Toriyama's work on this as a prequel to the Dragon Ball manga, that effectively bumps any speculation of the Bardock special being in continuity with the manga out the window. But it's still seemingly in the anime continuity.

[ABED]

What else would it be canon to? Dragon Ball of course. Bardock was incorporated into the manga for a little bit.

I've never seen Minus, so I can't comment.

Sorry, but it seems pretty obvious to me that since I followed that question up with "the manga?" that I was asking if that's what you were saying it was canon to (as in, opposed to the anime's continuity). And while the idea of Bardock existing and standing up to Freeza was incorporated into the manga, that's all that was, so it's never explicitly been confirmed that the Bardock special in its entirety is part of the manga continuity. The reason I bring all of this up is that Dragon Ball Minus VERY explicitly contradicts almost everything that happens in the Bardock special: who Bardock is, what his relationship to Goku is, how Goku gets to earth in the first place, how Vegeta was spared. So if we are to take Toriyama's work on this as a prequel to the Dragon Ball manga, that effectively bumps any speculation of the Bardock special being in continuity with the manga out the window. But it's still seemingly in the anime continuity.

Maybe you're right, but given Toriyama incorporating something from the anime, and going on the record as really enjoying the special, I just assumed that it was all canon.

What is DB Minus?

[Gaffer Tape]

DB Minus is the bonus chapter included with the special collected edition of Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Toriyama's short series from last year that was billed as a prequel to Dragon Ball, although it was mostly its own story. Suffice it to say, Jaco came to earth due to the impending arrival of Son Goku and the apparent threat he posed. However, Dragon Ball Minus, which is a prequel to this prequel, shows there really wasn't too much of a threat, as it tells

Spoiler:

the tale of poor lovebirds Bardock and Gine who are so afraid of Freeza destroying the planet and killing their toddler son they love so much that they steal a spacepod and send the young boy to earth for his safety, warning him beforehand not to look at the full moon.

As you can see, it's a bit of a departure from the Bardock special, and if you check out the related threads, you'll see it's generated no small amount of controversy around these parts at least.

[Luso Saiyan]

I don't get why people bitch about the filler getting cut out of Kai?

It was always advertised as a filler-less version of the series, so I don't get those who complaint about that either. The editing is a different issue though.

What is DB Minus?

This.

[Hellspawn28]

People feel like the fillers in Naruto, Bleach and One Piece drag the show and they wish that they were gone. One of the biggest criticism in the DBZ anime was the pacing and how slow it was. So how come DBZ gets a free pass on it's fillers, but not those three?