Why did Vegeta agree not to turn SSJ at the budokai?

[qjz123]

In BOG we found out that Goku is weaker than Freeza in base and at this point in the series both Vegeta and Gohan are weaker than BOG Base Goku. When Vegeta agree'd not to go Super Saiyan he said "As long as nobody turns Super Saiyan the conditions are the same it won't affect my superiority." Now while this would be true if he were matched up against other Saiyans, Vegeta would be at an extreme disadvantage if he fought 18 or Piccolo. So what would Vegeta have done if he had been matched up against either 18 or Piccolo? Would he ignore the no SSJ rule and transform any way if matched up against a strong non Saiyan if so than what would be the point in agreeing in the first place? Gohan didn't want their identities revealed to the world but if they're all weaker than Freeza in base how could they stand a chance at winning the tournament without transforming into SSJ and why did Vegeta completely ignore 18 and Piccolo when agreeing not to go SSJ with his only disclaimer being as long as nobody turns SSJ? Did Vegeta think he was stronger than 18 and Piccolo in base?

[Kamiccolo9]

I figured he just said yes to get Gohan to leave him alone. Kind of a "yeah, sure, whatever" moment. If he needed it, there's no way Vegeta wouldn't have gone Super Saiyan.

[Low Tone G]

I figured he just said yes to get Gohan to leave him alone. Kind of a "yeah, sure, whatever" moment. If he needed it, there's no way Vegeta wouldn't have gone Super Saiyan.

I agree, that scene wasn't at all serious!

[Kaboom]

Vegeta's main/only concern is proving himself superior to Gohan and Goku. Since the Super Saiyan forms are multipliers, then if Vegeta's stronger than them in one form, he'll be just as (proportionately) much stronger in any other form, including base.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I remember when I thought this was enough to assume Vegeta was stronger than #18 and Piccolo in Base

[Dbzfan94]

I don't understand how Base Goku is still weaker than Freeza. If that were true, he wouldn't have gotten any stronger at all considering the SSJ transformations are multipliers.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't understand how Base Goku is still weaker than Freeza. If that were true, he wouldn't have gotten any stronger at all considering the SSJ transformations are multipliers.

What? The Super Saiyan forms are multipliers. They multiply base strength when the are activated, and only when activated. Otherwise, base strength remains unaffected. So Goku has a range from 3,000,000 to 119,999,999 in which to increase his base power from the Freeza Arc until Battle of Gods.

[FoolsGil]

Are you talking about the Budokai at the end of Z? Are you kidding? the manga ended in Japan in the 90s, when AT didn't give 2 balls about Dragonball because it was finally over-How are you going to try to tie in dialogue spoken by Vegeta mid 90s or bring up Goku's hypothetical power level when BOG came out 2 decades later?

[Kamiccolo9]

Are you talking about the Budokai at the end of Z? Are you kidding? the manga ended in Japan in the 90s, when AT didn't give 2 balls about Dragonball because it was finally over-How are you going to try to tie in dialogue spoken by Vegeta mid 90s or bring up Goku's hypothetical power level when BOG came out 2 decades later?

It's the Budokai at the beginning of the Buu Arc, the one with Kaioshin and Spopovitch, not the one at the end with Uub.

[DieHard]

Remember when babidi and dabura said everyone besides the 3 saiyans are trash?

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Are you talking about the Budokai at the end of Z? Are you kidding? the manga ended in Japan in the 90s, when AT didn't give 2 balls about Dragonball because it was finally over-How are you going to try to tie in dialogue spoken by Vegeta mid 90s or bring up Goku's hypothetical power level when BOG came out 2 decades later?

The same way he did in B.o.G.?

[hleV]

Remember when babidi and dabura said everyone besides the 3 saiyans are trash?

Remember when they thought Pui Pui/Yakon could beat all of those 3?

[DieHard]

What's your point?

[MasterVampire]

What about if you look at it like Vegeta as a SSJ was weaker than 18.
But Vegeta as a SSJ in the Cell Tourament saga was stronger than 18.

[Kamiccolo9]

What about if you look at it like Vegeta as a SSJ was weaker than 18.
But Vegeta as a SSJ in the Cell Tourament saga was stronger than 18.

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

[Hitiro]

What's your point?

His point is whatever was said by characters other than the Z-senshi shouldn't be trusted? They were astonished that Base Vegeta killed off Pui Pui. If they had any kind of understanding about the Saiyan's strength then why would they be so surprised that they could beat Pui Pui or Yakon(Kind of understand this because they hadn't used SSJ but it still seemed like Goku could have done something even without it.)? Maybe they were just basing their strength on the way they held, attitude and body language wise, themselves? Like "Those 3 look stronger than the rest." which is true if you factor in SSJ.

[Marco Polo]

Just because you don't turn SSJ doesn't mean you can't vary your power level. We've known this since the Saiyan Saga. Goku's power level when Beerus scanned him was low because Goku was not in battle mode at that moment.

[Hitiro]

Just because you don't turn SSJ doesn't mean you can't vary your power level. We've known this since the Saiyan Saga. Goku's power level when Beerus scanned him was low because Goku was not in battle mode at that moment.

The difference shouldn't be that large between his battle mode battle power and his normal everyday battle power. Unless Goku is purposely trying to mask his battle power then he is probably at a third to half of his strength, if that. If in battle mode he is stronger than Freeza it isn't going to be much in it.

[sekzee]

Vegeta's main/only concern is proving himself superior to Gohan and Goku. Since the Super Saiyan forms are multipliers, then if Vegeta's stronger than them in one form, he'll be just as (proportionately) much stronger in any other form, including base.

This is how I take it.

I would give Vegeta's claim more merit if it wasn't for the obvious fact that Vegeta was solely interested in proving himself to Gohan and Goku, and particularly Goku. I mean...this is the guy that practically sold his soul to match Goku's power and killed innocents to get a chance at getting his rematch.

[Low Tone G]

Just because you don't turn SSJ doesn't mean you can't vary your power level. We've known this since the Saiyan Saga. Goku's power level when Beerus scanned him was low because Goku was not in battle mode at that moment.

The difference shouldn't be that large between his battle mode battle power and his normal everyday battle power. Unless Goku is purposely trying to mask his battle power then he is probably at a third to half of his strength, if that. If in battle mode he is stronger than Freeza it isn't going to be much in it.

In fact, Goku can suppress his strength to an unbelievably low level, and that was shown in the 2008 special. And many times in the manga also. In the Ginyu saga Goku's powerlevel was only 5000 units scanned by scouter, but in reality his power was 90,000. So I do think he can suppress his level even to 1-5 units, when his obvious level is largely above 3,000,000(I personally think his level was at 80-100 million in BOG). And maybe Freeza's level wasn't only 120,000,000 but higher even double as he was pretty damaged from Genki Dama, so Beerus might have known his real full power so Goku's level could have been 200,000,000 also. But if King Kai confirmed that Goku couldn't have beaten Freeza without turning into SSJ, I can accept.