Isn't the 'official' timeline chart from Daizenshuu 7 wrong?

[Basaku]

I've been thinking about it for a long time and it just bugs me, this cannot happen like that. In order for timeline 3 to exist (where Cell uses Time Machine), Trunks must travel to past and get remote shutdown blueprints instead of fighting the androids (and in consequence be too weak to fight Cell; Cell wins and steals Time Machine). Therefore, by definition he needs to travel to a past (#4) different than what we see in the show. All clear for now. But that means that something has to create another past-timeline (#1), so we have Cell3. Great. Cell3 was targeting the coordinates of Past4, already established by Trunks3 as this was suppoused to be just another visit.

Here's the problem. Cell3 targets Past4, which creates another timeline, Past1. So he should not be present in Past4, therefore there should not be Cell games there as Daizenshuu 7 shows. The only explanation for his presence in Past4 is if we assume that he simply took Trunks4's spot in time machine that was going to already-established Past 4. But in this case, he would simply appear in Past4 and Past1 would not be created, thus there would not be different scenario in which Trunks gets training instead of remote shutdown blueprints to deal with Androids. And the story NEEDS this different scenario to be created by Cell's travel (regardless if using the same Time Machine with the same already-established coordinates of Past4) to have Future2 created.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm pretty sure the timeline from the Chozenshuu excludes timeline 4, if that helps.

[Super Vegetto]

I'm pretty sure the timeline from the Chozenshuu excludes timeline 4, if that helps.

Can you post the picture ?

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm pretty sure the timeline from the Chozenshuu excludes timeline 4, if that helps.

Can you post the picture ?

Nope. I've just got a quote from Herms telling me that they cut out timeline four from the Chozenshuu.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... u&start=20

Doesn't the Chozenshuu cut out timeline 4?

Yeah, it essentially ditched Daizenshuu 7's timeline explanation (the one with 4 timelines) and just reuses the one from DB Forever instead, which is a minimalistic 3 timeline explanation that pretty much just recounts what we're told in the series. The way they phrase it, I don't think they really rule out the idea that there are more timelines, it just describes that three that directly pop up in the series, if that makes sense.

[Super Vegetto]

I'm pretty sure the timeline from the Chozenshuu excludes timeline 4, if that helps.

Can you post the picture ?

Nope. I've just got a quote from Herms telling me that they cut out timeline four from the Chozenshuu.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... u&start=20

Doesn't the Chozenshuu cut out timeline 4?

Yeah, it essentially ditched Daizenshuu 7's timeline explanation (the one with 4 timelines) and just reuses the one from DB Forever instead, which is a minimalistic 3 timeline explanation that pretty much just recounts what we're told in the series. The way they phrase it, I don't think they really rule out the idea that there are more timelines, it just describes that three that directly pop up in the series, if that makes sense.

Yeah, it always made more sense. Thx for the info.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Not the best picture, but the best I can do with what I got right now. :/

[Basaku]

I'm pretty sure the timeline from the Chozenshuu excludes timeline 4, if that helps.

No treally, it makes even less sense lol. It's not possible to have Future Trunks defeat both Androids and Cell (in his Future timeline) with only 1 past created.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm pretty sure the timeline from the Chozenshuu excludes timeline 4, if that helps.

No treally, it makes even less sense lol. It's not possible to have Future Trunks defeat both Androids and Cell (in his Future timeline) with only 1 past created.

Sorry. Looks like I made your life harder, then

[Limienerd]

Honestly Basaku right now I can't quite get round my head around what you are saying but I feel like both the Daizenshuu and Chozenshuu and incomplete.

There would be more timelines since every time Trunks travels he would be creating another timeline so some things like that would make it more complicated as very similar events would be happening over and over in different timelines.

Timeline 1 was created before the other timelines.

[Basaku]

There would be more timelines since every time Trunks travels he would be creating another timeline so some things like that would make it more complicated as very similar events would be happening over and over in different timelines.

That's possible, but doesn't change the fact that there would still be 1 past timeline in which Cell games do not happen, the very first one Trunks created on 1st visit. Cell was second person to travel in time, so he is creating new past-timeline string for himself. If new one is created, the old one doesn't change (the one Trunks already created) thus the old one remains Cell games-less.

Timeline 1 was created before the other timelines.

Timeline 1 cannot be created before 3 and 4 as it require evets from 3 & 4 to happen (Trunks failing to get enough power in 4 to defeat Cell in 3, thus Cell from 3 travelling back in time).

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

It doesn't make sense. It can't be right if the fourth history is, in fact, referring to the original past timeline where future Cell didn't go in. They screwed up.

[Adamant]

Yeah, the fourth one is off. It shouldn't be a timeline where the Cell Games happened with no Trunks present, but a timeline where Cell never was around at all, the androids were presumably defeated with the shutdown controller, and Trunks went home to a future where he got killed by Cell.

[Limienerd]

Timeline 1 was created before the other timelines.

Timeline 1 cannot be created before 3 and 4 as it require evets from 3 & 4 to happen (Trunks failing to get enough power in 4 to defeat Cell in 3, thus Cell from 3 travelling back in time).

Sorry about that I was wrong.

If you have History 2 (or at least a history similar to it) also create History 4 wouldn't it all make sense?

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

I guess technically a timeline where only Future Cell exists in the past and the Cell Games occur could exist if you go with the theory that that one Trunks went into the past when Future Cell did, created one timeline, then after returning to the future, went back into the past but that created yet another duplicated past timeline (because if going to the past created a separate timeline, why wouldn't going to the past again create yet another past?), but that's probably not what the guide intended to show.