Why did Vegeta agree not to turn SSJ at the budokai?

[Hitiro]

In fact, Goku can suppress his strength to an unbelievably low level, and that was shown in the 2008 special. And many times in the manga also. Goku's powerlevel was only 5000 units scanned by scouter, but in reality his power was 90,000. So I do think he can suppress his level even to 1-5 units, when his obvious level is largely above 3,000,000(I personally think his level was at 80-100 million in BOG). And maybe Freeza's level wasn't only 120,000,000 but higher even double as he was pretty damaged from Genki Dama, so Beerus might have known his real full power so Goku's level could have been 200,000,000 also. But if King Kai confirmed that Goku couldn't have beaten Freeza without turning into SSJ, I can accept.

Well I never said Goku couldn't suppress his strength to an unbelievably low level. What I was saying was Goku's natural battle power, while not being suppressed, would be below his battle power but not by a massive amount. There is a difference between a character suppressing their battle power and a character not suppressing their battle power. In the 2008 special we don't know where Goku was placed. The battle power was never stated in the special, all we know is he couldn't have beaten Abo and Cado. But as Tarble said, both of them had surpassed Freeza in strength. Which is confusing because Tarble should only know of Freeza's initial form. I don't think Goku's battle power would be lower than 530,000. Maybe he was suppressing at that point? Scouters have never really been reliable about those things anyway. Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn all sensed Goku's amazing strength when he was up against the Ginyu force despite the false scouter readings they were getting.

[Low Tone G]

Yeah, the lvl of Goku wasn't mentioned in the special, but on souter's screen we could read only two numbers. We can also agrue that it was only an animation issue, but it can also be true that Goku's level was less than 100 units, and Tarble said that Goku stood no chance against Abo and Cado like that. And it wasn't stated that they surpassed Freeza, but they were very close to him in power, maybe Aka(the fusion of them) could have surpassed Base Freeza, as probably they didn't need to fuse agaisnt Tarble before.

[kuartus4]

I think a better question is why Gohan made the "no ssj" rule when he was the one to invite android 18 and also wanted to win the tournament. Did he think he had a shot against 18 in base?

[Kamiccolo9]

I think a better question is why Gohan made the "no ssj" rule when he was the one to invite android 18 and also wanted to win the tournament. Did he think he had a shot against 18 in base?

Well, Gohan didn't have to win the tournament, just place. The winner wasn't the only one to get prize money, if I remember correctly.

I figure he meant what he said about not wanting to draw attention to the fact that they were the same guys who were at the Cell Games.

[kuartus4]

I think a better question is why Gohan made the "no ssj" rule when he was the one to invite android 18 and also wanted to win the tournament. Did he think he had a shot against 18 in base?

Well, Gohan didn't have to win the tournament, just place. The winner wasn't the only one to get prize money, if I remember correctly.

I figure he meant what he said about not wanting to draw attention to the fact that they were the same guys who were at the Cell Games.

What if he was matched up against 18 in the first round? If he lost he wouldn't place at all. Would Gohan risk a first round elimination?

[Kamiccolo9]

I think a better question is why Gohan made the "no ssj" rule when he was the one to invite android 18 and also wanted to win the tournament. Did he think he had a shot against 18 in base?

Well, Gohan didn't have to win the tournament, just place. The winner wasn't the only one to get prize money, if I remember correctly.

I figure he meant what he said about not wanting to draw attention to the fact that they were the same guys who were at the Cell Games.

What if he was matched up against 18 in the first round? If he lost he wouldn't place at all. Would Gohan risk a first round elimination?

I don't think Gohan really cared about the money in the first place. He was only there because Videl was blackmailing him; the prize money was a way to get Chi-Chi to let him in the tournament.

Besides, between him and Goku, one of them would have most likely made it to the finals. And then there's Piccolo, who would have no need for the money, and would probably hand it over to Gohan anyway.

[dario03]

Maybe he was figuring Piccolo and 18 would forfeit if they fought. Seems a bit odd especially for 18 but they would know that they couldn't win if any of them turned SS against them.

[Kamiccolo9]

Maybe he was figuring Piccolo and 18 would forfeit if they fought. Seems a bit odd especially for 18 but they would know that they couldn't win if any of them turned SS against them.

Piccolo might, but I don't see 18 doing that. She was there to win. Somehow, I don't see her working out a deal with Vegeta either; I feel like he'd just blitz her in SSJ, and damn the consequences.

[Hitiro]

Maybe he was figuring Piccolo and 18 would forfeit if they fought. Seems a bit odd especially for 18 but they would know that they couldn't win if any of them turned SS against them.

Piccolo might, but I don't see 18 doing that. She was there to win. Somehow, I don't see her working out a deal with Vegeta either; I feel like he'd just blitz her in SSJ, and damn the consequences.

Well the thing is 18 couldn't do anything if any of the Saiyans went SSJ. So they wouldn't need to go SSJ for long, a split second would be all it took for them to knock her out of the ring without anyone noticing they are SSJ. The problem arises when the Saiyans are up against each other. Their strength is so close to each other that turning SSJ for a split second would not finish the battle.