New Sailor Moon anime and Kai

[ABED]

Why does it matter what their reasons are for making new material?

It depends what you call 'new'. I don't regard Kai as being that, it's a regurgitation.

Must we be derogatory? It's a simple re-edit.

[Blade]

Why does it matter what their reasons are for making new material?

It depends what you call 'new'. I don't regard Kai as being that, it's a regurgitation.

Must we be derogatory? It's a simple re-edit.

There's nothing about the word 'regurgitation' that's even slightly derogatory, it's purely descriptive, and in the case of Kai, and Toei's recent handling of the Dragonball franchise in general, totally apt.

Don't get me wrong, I've got plenty of ill sentiment towards Kai, especially in its latest incarnation - but there wasn't any of it in that post.

[ABED]

There's nothing about the word 'regurgitation' that's even slightly derogatory, it's purely descriptive, and in the case of Kai, and Toei's recent handling of the Dragonball franchise in general, totally apt.

Don't get me wrong, I've got plenty of ill sentiment towards Kai, especially in its latest incarnation - but there wasn't any of it in that post.

Maybe you didn't mean it as such, but regurgitation does have a negative connotation.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Dragon Ball deserved to be reanimated, or at least the episodes by Uchiyama, but what can we do? We could petition TOEI, or do a kickstarter campaign, but I doubt it would do any good.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Maybe we'll get really lucky and after Kai finishes, they will reanimate the original Dragon Ball, and by the time it gets to the end of DB, it will be long enough since Kai and they will reanimate Z.

[Kid Buu]

Toru Furuya is living life like its the 80/90s with Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, and Saint Seiya back.

[dbboxkaifan]

Maybe we'll get really lucky and after Kai finishes, they will reanimate the original Dragon Ball, and by the time it gets to the end of DB, it will be long enough since Kai and they will reanimate Z.

Why would Dragon Ball be in need of being reanimated? The original probably would look better than the reanimated considering back in the 90's they used to put more effort and dedication than they do nowadays, that and it'd get censored here and there.

Do you remember that split-second of Bulma's boobs being shown to Muten Roshi's during the Uranai Baba arc? This moment for example could be easily censored and in return we'd see only the back of Bulma and then back to Yamucha Vs. Suke, which would be absolutely fine too (it's two relatively small melons Bulma had).

Other than the animation probably be inferior, you'd also have to consider that some of the original Japanese cast are no longer alive and the music if done cheaply could be very distracting and unfitting, like it is currently in Dragon Ball Kai: Majin Boo arc.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Maybe we'll get really lucky and after Kai finishes, they will reanimate the original Dragon Ball, and by the time it gets to the end of DB, it will be long enough since Kai and they will reanimate Z.

Why would Dragon Ball be in need of being reanimated? The original probably would look better than the reanimated considering back in the 90's they used to put more effort and dedication than they do nowadays, that and it'd get censored here and there.

Do you remember that split-second of Bulma's boobs being shown to Muten Roshi's during the Uranai Baba arc? This moment for example could be easily censored and in return we'd see only the back of Bulma and then back to Yamucha Vs. Suke, which would be absolutely fine too (it's two relatively small melons Bulma had).

Other than the animation probably be inferior, you'd also have to consider that some of the original Japanese cast are no longer alive and the music if done cheaply could be very distracting and unfitting, like it is currently in Dragon Ball Kai: Majin Boo arc.

Don't get me wrong, I love the original anime, but I wouldn't mind the entire Dragon Ball manga getting brand new animation in high definition 16:9 format, instead of seeing the Dragon Boxes upscaled and cropped with tons of filters applied to them. As for the voices, if I were in charge of making the new anime, I would simply use the old recordings for those actors.

[sangofe]

Maybe we'll get really lucky and after Kai finishes, they will reanimate the original Dragon Ball, and by the time it gets to the end of DB, it will be long enough since Kai and they will reanimate Z.

Why would Dragon Ball be in need of being reanimated? The original probably would look better than the reanimated considering back in the 90's they used to put more effort and dedication than they do nowadays, that and it'd get censored here and there.

Do you remember that split-second of Bulma's boobs being shown to Muten Roshi's during the Uranai Baba arc? This moment for example could be easily censored and in return we'd see only the back of Bulma and then back to Yamucha Vs. Suke, which would be absolutely fine too (it's two relatively small melons Bulma had).

Other than the animation probably be inferior, you'd also have to consider that some of the original Japanese cast are no longer alive and the music if done cheaply could be very distracting and unfitting, like it is currently in Dragon Ball Kai: Majin Boo arc.

Don't get me wrong, I love the original anime, but I wouldn't mind the entire Dragon Ball manga getting brand new animation in high definition 16:9 format, instead of seeing the Dragon Boxes upscaled and cropped with tons of filters applied to them. As for the voices, if I were in charge of making the new anime, I would simply use the old recordings for those actors.

Old recordings, in poor quality? No thanks.

[Basaku]

Toru Furuya is living life like its the 80/90s with Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, and Saint Seiya back.

It is kinda funny how these 3 series are back again. Then again, Japan didn't exactly produced much global anime hit series again after 90s...

[UpFromTheSkies]

Old recordings, in poor quality? No thanks.

You'd rather hear the original voice actors replaced? And TOEI can get the original audio recordings in better quality, they just choose not to do so.

[Blade]

And a completly new series wouldn't be about monetization? Of course it ould be, just like GT was. Everything is about cash and it's not wrong by default.

That's not what I meant. Of course any venture would need to be seen as profitable by Toei to warrant production in the first instance, that's a given - but there's a difference between something like GT and Kai. GT actually holds some artistic merit as a production and isn't just a cheap 'shovel it out of the door and onto the shelves with as little financial outlay as possible' product. Kai on the other hand, especially in regard to the Buu arc, is.

Maybe you didn't mean it as such, but regurgitation does have a negative connotation.

But that's what Kai is - it's a totally recycled product. The franchise itself has stagnated through endless regurgitation of the same source material to the point where very little new ground is being broken. I think that Kai could have been done with genuine affection and high regard for the source material without being a complete remake, but essentially, having now had Kai - the fan-appetite to hear the same old story told again is more or less zero.

My worry is that what Toei have done with the 'final chapter' of Kai may kill off whatever domestic consumer appetite for the franchise that remains. What we're seeing now with the Buu arc is disrespectful to both the fans and the original work.

[sangofe]

Old recordings, in poor quality? No thanks.

You'd rather hear the original voice actors replaced? And TOEI can get the original audio recordings in better quality, they just choose not to do so.

I'd rather hear new recordings, yes. I know Toei could get tapes from Kei and chooses not to, but that means they'd use the old poor audio quality...

[Blade]

Old recordings, in poor quality? No thanks.

You'd rather hear the original voice actors replaced? And TOEI can get the original audio recordings in better quality, they just choose not to do so.

I'd rather hear new recordings, yes. I know Toei could get tapes from Kei and chooses not to, but that means they'd use the old poor audio quality...

There's a number of reasons as to why they wont accept tapes from fans which I wont go into (such as saving face), but the biggest issue is consistency.

Sure, some of the broadcast audio recordings may be of a higher fidelity than what they currently have, but there's a number of factors which effect the quality of a home recording - such as the signal quality of the broadcast, the quality of the recording device and the quality of the recording medium. Unless there exists a complete collection of recordings that used exactly the same recording device for every tape, used the exact same make and quality of tapes and had a perfect, uninterrupted broadcast signal throughout each episode, Toei won't touch them.

I mean, think about it - why would they want a hodgepodge recordings with varying degrees of fidelity? What could they possibly do with them? If they used the broadcast audio on their home video releases, you'd have certain episodes sounding totally different to the episode that precedes and succeeds it - and with a show as long as Dragonball, that's a real problem. Magnetic tape is a notoriously inconsistent recording medium, that colours the sonorous quality of the recorded sound with a certain 'warmth', that means that even a flawless capture will always have some distinguishing, unique qualities. In the music industry, a lot of people still desire that for artistic purposes, and feel modern digital A/D conversion to be stale, overly consistent and lifeless - but as far as something like this goes, the latter qualities are exactly what is needed, but due to Toei's shortsightedness/sheer negligence in relation to the original masters, we can never have.

[coola]

The more i think about it, the more I'm sure, that if they make truly remake DB, they also should cast entire new cast, from what i see, Mr.Toriyama isn`t really that much fond of his creation as much as Ms.Takeuchi, who like to have something to say about Sailor Moon adaptations. It`s not out of respect of old cast, but, if we create something new, make it new from scratch, i can imagine some fans would be upset, and refuse to give any chance to new actress (We already see it with Ami actress, where fans write petitions) but, we all. should wait for 1st episode to air, to see how it goes.

[Cold Skin]

^ I think a total remake with a new cast might be done the day Nozawa is - sadly - not there anymore.
They will need to make the new, unfamiliar Goku voice accepted, and for that, they will make you go through the main story again with that new voice.
That's what I think anyway, I don't see them giving you new adventures with a brand new voice for Goku, Gohan and Goten unless it is not considered "a brand new voice" since you've gotten used to it by seeing the original story again with that voice.

Goku's voice is a strong part of the series' identity, and the day it's gone, they will likely need to build up the original story with a new identity again before proceeding with new adventures.

[B]

The Sailor Moon situation is an odd one that I don't quite understand how Dragon Ball would attempt it. It would be absolutely jarring to have a version where Nozawa returns and every other character is recast. There are quotes jumping about from the Internet that a lot of the original Sailor Moon cast is not active anymore, so perhaps we would never have to worry about such a thing happening as people like Nozawa, Tanaka, Horikawa, and Furukawa are doing shows right now or very recently(One Piece, Ping Pong, Samurai Flamenco, Detective Conan, Digimon Xros Wars Part 2...)

[Kid Buu]

Well the main difference is that Sailor Moon IS Usagi and Mamoru's story, so they can get by just keeping the old voice actors for them.

Dragon Ball never really had that. Sure, Goku is the main character, but there are so many times Goku is vacant from the story and someone else is over.

[Mewzard]

With Saint Seiya: Omega, the people I remember returning to voice were Tohru Furuya as the now Sagittarius Seiya (mostly narrating S1 since he was out of most of it) and Mami Koyama as Ophiuchus Shaina (also, Furuya's ex-wife).

Dragon Ball really does seem to get treated special compared to the other old series'. It's a shame, because I liked a lot of the old voice actors.

[dbboxkaifan]

Sorry for necroposting, but yesterday, we finally get to see new information about Sailor Moon Crystal, for me, the most surprising thing, was fact, that only Ms. Kotono Mitsuishi return to voice Usagi, all other characters are recast, i know old Ami actress is still active seiyuu, so i wonder why she wasn`t asked to return. It surely wasn`t budget problem, because all women they cast are well known seiyuu, so I'm sure they weren`t hired for less. I'm really looking forward to see this new version of anime, hopefully it will be true remake, instead of "Dragon Ball Z Diet"

You know, as much as I'd like for Toei Animation to give Dragon Ball & Dragon Ball Z a true remake (Dragon Ball GT is anime-only so doesn't count) we've already lost too many of the original VAs so the authenticity won't be there any more, well, perhaps if Toei would want to introduce the new Japanese cast this'd be a good way to do it.

Masako Nozawa is 77 years old (according to Wiki) and at this age she could retire but she's still voicing the Son family and I'm happy but her health and well-being come first so the day that she'll no longer voice them it'll change the way I look at Goku, Gohan and Goten.

Let's just enjoy the present and not worry about the future because it may end up morbid. I hope to Kami that she lives beyond 100 years.

Jeanne Calment died at the age of 121 years old which is pretty amazing as normally people tend to pass away around their 80's and 90's or really young (kids-teens). We'll all die so just better to enjoy life for what it is.