Plothole Reconciliation Thread

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The only problem with that is Vegeta wouldn't have spent a whole month on Namek. The time gap between the Saiyan Battles and the Namek Arc was less than a month so had Vegeta went alone, the Ginyu Force would have most likely killed him.

I was thinking that Vegeta & Freeza didn't go immediately on Namek for some reason.

[Gogeta8001]

The only problem with that is Vegeta wouldn't have spent a whole month on Namek. The time gap between the Saiyan Battles and the Namek Arc was less than a month so had Vegeta went alone, the Ginyu Force would have most likely killed him.

I was thinking that Vegeta & Freeza didn't go immediately on Namek for some reason.

Fair enough.

What about Cell though. How does he manage to get to other planets and hide from the Z-Fighters lol. And with the Androids being dead, does him absorbing them really make him stronger? Lastly, why do the Z-Fighters go to the RoSaT if theirs no villians?

[supacomboy]

Something occurred to me in the shower the other day.
A bit of a stretch but maybe.... ??

Plot hole: Dragon Ball Minus seemingly Ignores the events of the Bardock special. Well I guess it is more of a continuity question rather than a plot hole.

Reconciliation: Bardock and Gine didn't send Goku away. .. rather they made a mistake and didn't realise it. The saiyan they sent away and dressed in battle armour was actually..... Tullece!! O.k we will need some creative liberties here, but we know that Tullece apparently survived because of luck. He looks almost identical to Goku so maybe that was how he was lucky?? For it to work though we would have to assume that Goku in the Bardock special was older and not just born on that day. ......

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

Something occurred to me in the shower the other day.
A bit of a stretch but maybe.... ??

Plot hole: Dragon Ball Minus seemingly Ignores the events of the Bardock special. Well I guess it is more of a continuity question rather than a plot hole.

Reconciliation: Bardock and Gine didn't send Goku away. .. rather they made a mistake and didn't realise it. The saiyan they sent away and dressed in battle armour was actually..... Tullece!! O.k we will need some creative liberties here, but we know that Tullece apparently survived because of luck. He looks almost identical to Goku so maybe that was how he was lucky?? For it to work though we would have to assume that Goku in the Bardock special was older and not just born on that day. ......

Woah I just uh....My head kinda hurts....

[Zephyr]

My attempt at reconciling DB Minus, Episode of Bardock, and the TV Special (from this thread: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=27129):



When Bardock travels from the original timeline (the "anime", or "Toei-verse") to the past, he starts a new timeline (the "manga", or "Toriyama-verse"), beginning with Episode of Bardock.

[thatdbzguy]

Oh look, found yet another plot hole in the Cell arc. Shocker, right?

Anyway, Cell said that after he killed Trunks in the future, Trunks had already entered the coordinates in the time machine, and Cell didn't change them when he used it. Apparently, Trunks was going back to tell the others about how he defeated the cyborgs in his time. But why would Trunks set the time machine to travel to the time before the arrival of Frieza to tell the others that he killed the cyborgs, especially when they never even heard of the androids before?

[Hitiro]

Oh look, found yet another plot hole in the Cell arc. Shocker, right?

Anyway, Cell said that after he killed Trunks in the future, Trunks had already entered the coordinates in the time machine, and Cell didn't change them when he used it. Apparently, Trunks was going back to tell the others about how he defeated the cyborgs in his time. But why would Trunks set the time machine to travel to the time before the arrival of Freeza to tell the others that he killed the cyborgs, especially when they never even heard of the androids before?

That's incorrect, what was said was that Cell had been beneath the Earth as an egg for 3 years. It never said when he arrived during those 3 years. In all eventuality Trunks was going back to just after he talked to Goku about the androids. Cell killed him and went back to that time and then waited 3 years to assume his original form. When does it ever say that Trunks set the time machine to travel to the time before the arrival of Freeza?

[TheGmGoken]

Oh look, found yet another plot hole in the Cell arc. Shocker, right?

Anyway, Cell said that after he killed Trunks in the future, Trunks had already entered the coordinates in the time machine, and Cell didn't change them when he used it. Apparently, Trunks was going back to tell the others about how he defeated the cyborgs in his time. But why would Trunks set the time machine to travel to the time before the arrival of Freeza to tell the others that he killed the cyborgs, especially when they never even heard of the androids before?

To give them the shutdown controller to turn them off. In which Goku or Piccolo would destroy as they want a challenge. Then the plot remains the same. Not a plot hole. Sorry. Toriyama knew what he was saying

[TheDevilsCorpse]

That's incorrect, what was said was that Cell had been beneath the Earth as an egg for 3 years. It never said when he arrived during those 3 years. In all eventuality Trunks was going back to just after he talked to Goku about the androids. Cell killed him and went back to that time and then waited 3 years to assume his original form. When does it ever say that Trunks set the time machine to travel to the time before the arrival of Freeza?

No it's not. Piccolo asks Cell why he picked the date he came back to and he says that he didn't, he just used the one Trunks had already set and...

Sometime in Age 763
--Cell from Timeline III arrives in this era by time machine. He burrows underground to develop for the next few years. His goal is to find Androids No.17 and No.18 in this era and absorb them so he can reach his perfect form.

• [Ref: Date from Daizenshuu 7. In Chapter 358 Cell is said to have come from the future a year before Trunks did and 4 years before the androids appear, which places it in this year. In Chapter 363 however, Cell says he needed 3 years to grow, and this year-long gap is never explained. Perhaps Cell stayed an extra year underground because he had nothing better to do until the androids showed up?]

[Hitiro]

No it's not. Piccolo asks Cell why he picked the date he came back to and he says that he didn't, he just used the one Trunks had already set and...

Sometime in Age 763
--Cell from Timeline III arrives in this era by time machine. He burrows underground to develop for the next few years. His goal is to find Androids No.17 and No.18 in this era and absorb them so he can reach his perfect form.

• [Ref: Date from Daizenshuu 7. In Chapter 358 Cell is said to have come from the future a year before Trunks did and 4 years before the androids appear, which places it in this year. In Chapter 363 however, Cell says he needed 3 years to grow, and this year-long gap is never explained. Perhaps Cell stayed an extra year underground because he had nothing better to do until the androids showed up?]

Well that is a Daizenshuu mistake. The actual manga says it was programmed to go back 3 years before the androids showed up. Which means 767 - 3 = 764. So it would be around the same time Freeza was defeated. I would assume it would be a day or two after the meeting with Goku to tell him about the Androids.

Edit: Unless it is specifically on about the anime? Just checked the anime and Cell could press the controls before he reverted so perhaps he changed the controls in the Anime? In the dub he says 4 years but in the manga it says 3 years.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Nope again. lol

Trunks gives us the 4 year number when he looks at the time machine information right before Cell's reveal.

[Hitiro]

Nope again. lol

Trunks gives us the 4 year number when he looks at the time machine information right before Cell's reveal.

Just checked it myself. Trunks says "about" 4 years. But I never looked at that part, lol. Cell says 3 years so I was going off of him. Guess Toriyama forgot Trunks said about 4 years?

[RancorSnp]

Trunks was going back to tell the others about how he defeated the cyborgs in his time. But why would Trunks set the time machine to travel to the time before the arrival of Freeza

To defeat the Androids. He finally knew he can defeat them, so he most probably decided to search for DR. Geros lab, and destroy it. Why didn't he do that in the first place? Well The Androids were too powerful, and Trunks is not the one to take chances, if Dr.Gero had time to active even one of them, he knew he would have been a gonner. But when he realized he can defeat two of them (or found a way how to defeat them, not necessary overpower 'em), he just decided to search for the Lab himself. He set the date, but never got the chance to travel as Cell killed him. If I remember right, cell's power could be sensed, so he probably left the machine himself to protect his mother, and thus end's the Trunk's tale.

[Basaku]

Oh look, found yet another plot hole in the Cell arc. Shocker, right?

Anyway, Cell said that after he killed Trunks in the future, Trunks had already entered the coordinates in the time machine, and Cell didn't change them when he used it. Apparently, Trunks was going back to tell the others about how he defeated the cyborgs in his time. But why would Trunks set the time machine to travel to the time before the arrival of Freeza to tell the others that he killed the cyborgs, especially when they never even heard of the androids before?

To give them the shutdown controller to turn them off. In which Goku or Piccolo would destroy as they want a challenge. Then the plot remains the same. Not a plot hole. Sorry. Toriyama knew what he was saying

If he's travelling back to 764 again, then he just created another past timeline. Also, where does he get schematics for remote shutdown if he's coming back to give them to Z-fighters lol?

[freezamite]

Anyone have an explanation for why Cell never used the Kaio-Ken? It sure could have come in handy for him.

Kaio-Ken became useless once Goku became a SSj. It's like in the second Digimon season where they ditch the armor evolutions when they started to know how to become to use their champion evolutions.

Kaio-Ken became useless to Goku because as a SSJ it was an impossible technique to execute. I assume that even when for Cell the SSJ aura is not a special state but just the way his energy is represented, that some of the drawbacks normal SSJ have also apply to him, so he can't use the KK at all.

[Mr.Judge]

Wouldn't this be considered as a Plot-Hole?
Piccolo regenerating from Head in Buu saga while he life hangs by a thread when Freeza's Death beam pierces his chest.

May be it could be reasoned with the amount of Ki left or a special ability he gains after fusing with Kami.

[Darkprince410]

Wouldn't this be considered as a Plot-Hole?
Piccolo regenerating from Head in Buu saga while he life hangs by a thread when Freeza's Death beam pierces his chest.

May be it could be reasoned with the amount of Ki left or a special ability he gains after fusing with Kami.

More than likely a matter of the amount of ki that he still had. As shown during Nail's fight with Freeza, regenerating even a non-vital part of the body requires a good amount of ki, and given that Piccolo was running on dry at the time having used his, Gohan's, and Kuririn's ki to stall Freeza long enough for Goku to complete his Genki Dama. With the Buu Saga, Piccolo was basically fresh when he got petrified (having only expended ki during the flight), so when the petrification dissipated, he still had enough ki to regenerate.

[Mr.Judge]

Nobody from Z warriors recognizing that Trunks and Goten are behind Mighty Mask in the 25th World Martial Arts Tournament. KI sensing and Piccolo ears fail due to plot armor.

[TheGmGoken]

Nobody from Z warriors recognizing that Trunks and Goten are behind Mighty Mask in the 25th World Martial Arts Tournament. KI sensing and Piccolo ears fail due to plot armor.

Wasn't Piccolo gone though? Pretty sure its gag though and gag don't apply to "rules"

[Mr.Judge]

Nobody from Z warriors recognizing that Trunks and Goten are behind Mighty Mask in the 25th World Martial Arts Tournament. KI sensing and Piccolo ears fail due to plot armor.

Wasn't Piccolo gone though? Pretty sure its gag though and gag don't apply to "rules"

They are all present around in close proximity during panels showing Number-drawing method which decides the order of battle for the tournament.

Piccolo is shown to overhear over quite a distance like conversation between SSJ god Goku and Beerus and conversation between Future Trunks and Goku. So even a tiny murmur should register.

Also Goku is Ki-sensing every opponent present there and he makes a some vague comment about Mighty Mask.

Nonetheless , A glaring Plot-hole.

But I would put it under Plot-armor.