The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kid Buu]

Raditz Vs The Saibamen

No Kamikaze.

[Bullza]

Just the ordinary one from the comics.

There are a good 10 different Supermen just from the comics.
Are you talking about New 52, Post Crisis, Pre Crisis, Golden Age etc?

Post Crisis Superman.

[RandomGuy96]

Raditz Vs The Saibamen

No Kamikaze.

Raditz is 1,500. The Saibamen are 1,200 and have no special skills or abilities aside from the easily dodged acid and their suicide explosions. However, I doubt he could take two at the same time without Oozaru. To say nothing of the six in the Saiyan arc.

[The Monkey King]

Just the ordinary one from the comics.

There are a good 10 different Supermen just from the comics.
Are you talking about New 52, Post Crisis, Pre Crisis, Golden Age etc?

Post Crisis Superman.

Then I'd say SSJG Goku wrecks him.

[Bullza]

How? Goku is too slow and weak to even hurt him.

Superman grabs his neck and snaps it with ease.

[The Monkey King]

How? Goku is too slow and weak to even hurt him.

Superman grabs his neck and snaps it with ease.

Superman's strongest attack is a moonbuster, he's said himself multiple times he can't go faster than light and he was knocked out by an exploding shadow moon .
So yeah Goku can punch him in the face or throw a casual ki blast at him and Supes would be knocked out or die.

If you think Goku can't even hurt Superman you've never read post-crisis Superman comics.

[Gogeta8001]

Raditz Vs The Saibamen

No Kamikaze.

Persoanlly, I have Raditz at 1,300 seeing as he was only stated to rival a Saibamen but I still think he can get the job done unless the Saiba's use their acid on him or somethin...

Beerus runs the GT gauntlet, how far does he get?

1. Super Bebi Vegeta
2. Final Form Bebi Vegeta
3. Initial Super 17
4. SSJ4 Goku (Bebi Saga)
5. Golden Oozaru Bebi Vegeta
6. SSJ4 Goku (Super 17 Saga)
7. Super 17 (Post 10X Kamehameha)
8. Nuova Shenron
9. Syn Shenron
10. SSJ4 Goku (Post-Limits)
11. Omega Shenron
12. SSJ4 Gogeta

[KentalSSJ6]

Raditz Vs The Saibamen

No Kamikaze.

Persoanlly, I have Raditz at 1,300 seeing as he was only stated to rival a Saibamen but I still think he can get the job done unless the Saiba's use their acid on him or somethin...

Beerus runs the GT gauntlet, how far does he get?

1. Super Bebi Vegeta
2. Final Form Bebi Vegeta
3. Initial Super 17
4. SSJ4 Goku (Bebi Saga)
5. Golden Oozaru Bebi Vegeta
6. SSJ4 Goku (Super 17 Saga)
7. Super 17 (Post 10X Kamehameha)
8. Nuova Shenron
9. Syn Shenron
10. SSJ4 Goku (Post-Limits)
11. Omega Shenron
12. SSJ4 Gogeta

Depends on how you take Goku commen on Bebi Vegeta being the strongest Ki he ever felt up to that time.

He could likely take 17 if he sticks to Martial Arts and just physically overpower him.

[Gogeta8001]

I'm personally a believer in Super Bebi Vegeta > SSJ Vegito and then their's that thing with Beerus > SSJ3 Vegito in BOG's extended cut so I can see Beerus probably making it to Golden Oozaru Bebi Vegeta and maybe winning.

[KentalSSJ6]

I'm personally a believer in Super Bebi Vegeta > SSJ Vegito and then their's that thing with Beerus > SSJ3 Vegito in BOG's extended cut so I can see Beerus probably making it to Golden Oozaru Bebi Vegeta and maybe winning.

Yeah I dont buy into that whole Beerus > SSJ3 Veggeto. Goku says fusing likely wouldn't help and thats it.

Beerus > Super Veggeto till material says otherwise.

[RandomGuy96]

Beerus dies to base Pan.

[Pantalones]

Going by the "SSj Vegerot >= SSj4 Goku" statement from one of the GT guides and Beerus being "stronger than anyone in the history of DBZ," Beerus should be able to handle anyone up to Golden Oozaru Bebi-Vegeta and SSj4 Goku (and also Super 17, assuming he took him out physically rather than wasting time with energy blasts... though, can Super 17 absorb god ki like he does normal ki? if not then the absorption wouldn't help him much) with no difficulty whatsoever.

The weakest GT character I can see putting up a fight is Syn Shenron (...what was his Japanese name again?), and that really depends on just how big the gap between him and SSj4 Goku is, and exactly where you put Beerus' 100% power at. If you assume Beerus 100% > SSj3 Vegerot, rather than just "definitely beyond regular SSj, but maybe not beyond the higher forms," then he should be able to beat Syn Shenron also (at least if you're assuming that there's a significant gap between Beerus and SSj3 Vegerot, not something like "SSj3 Vegerot > SSj God Goku, but not by enough to win vs. Beerus.")

SSj4 Goku "beyond limits" and Omega Shenron though... hard to say. I can see SSj4 Goku "beyond limits" being similar in power to Super Saiyan God (the way the forms/power-ups are reached are very similar after all, and they both hold the title of "the strongest form that Goku as an individual can ever get" in their series) or maaaaybe a little bit stronger (like a "7" or "8" to SSj God Goku's "6" and Beerus' "10") so he'd at least put up a good fight against Beerus before ultimately losing. Maybe SSj4 Goku and Vegeta could team up to win that way. If "beyond limits" SSj4 Goku comes that close to Beerus' level, then Omega should probably be able to beat Beerus even if he went to 100%. And then maybe get kicked around when Whis stepped in, depending on just how much of a gap there'd be between Omega and Beerus (would Omega be like a "12," or something even higher? GT power comparisons are so unclear so it's really hard to figure out sometimes, especially if you haven't really watched the series in a long time.) Of course, there's no doubt SSj4 Gogeta could win, assuming he doesn't waste his fusion time goofing off.

I kind of like the idea of Whis being the undisputed strongest individual in the Dragonball universe, only surpassed by ridiculous fusions. Though I suppose you have to interpret GT character power relations a certain way to get it to work... then again, it's GT so you pretty much have to do that to get things to work at all anyway. XD

[xmysticgohanx]

Beerus runs the GT gauntlet, how far does he get?

1. Super Bebi Vegeta
2. Final Form Bebi Vegeta
3. Initial Super 17
4. SSJ4 Goku (Bebi Saga)
5. Golden Oozaru Bebi Vegeta
6. SSJ4 Goku (Super 17 Saga)
7. Super 17 (Post 10X Kamehameha)
8. Nuova Shenron
9. Syn Shenron
10. SSJ4 Goku (Post-Limits)
11. Omega Shenron
12. SSJ4 Gogeta

Beerus is > 8x SSJ4 Goku if we assume SSJ Vegito = SSJ4 Goku and Beerus > SSJ3 Vegito. Syn Shenron is at least a big bit above 10x Goku because he tanked his 10x Kamehameha when Goku's 20x Kaioken Kamehameha hurt an equal pl Frieza. Omega said he is 10x Syn. So he might beat Syn but very unlikely he would beat Omega.

If you think Goku can't even hurt Superman you've never read post-crisis Superman comics.

What about current Superman? (from a quick google search: New 52?)

Krillin at his peak vs Recoome.

[The Monkey King]

What about current Superman? (from a quick google search: New 52?)

Namek saga SSJ Goku could take New 52 Supes after a good fight.

Krillin at his peak vs Recoome.

I'd give it to Krillin.

[Gogeta8001]

Beerus runs the GT gauntlet, how far does he get?

1. Super Bebi Vegeta
2. Final Form Bebi Vegeta
3. Initial Super 17
4. SSJ4 Goku (Bebi Saga)
5. Golden Oozaru Bebi Vegeta
6. SSJ4 Goku (Super 17 Saga)
7. Super 17 (Post 10X Kamehameha)
8. Nuova Shenron
9. Syn Shenron
10. SSJ4 Goku (Post-Limits)
11. Omega Shenron
12. SSJ4 Gogeta

Beerus is > 8x SSJ4 Goku if we assume SSJ Vegito = SSJ4 Goku and Beerus > SSJ3 Vegito. Syn Shenron is at least a big bit above 10x Goku because he tanked his 10x Kamehameha when Goku's 20x Kaioken Kamehameha hurt an equal pl Freeza. Omega said he is 10x Syn. So he might beat Syn but very unlikely he would beat Omega.

If you think Goku can't even hurt Superman you've never read post-crisis Superman comics.

What about current Superman? (from a quick google search: New 52?)

Krillin at his peak vs Recoome.

Thing is i'm not assuming SSJ Vegito is even close to SSJ4 Goku. SBV1 was the strongest ki Goku sensed so there's no reason to keep him below SSJ Vegito. The source your thinking says SSJ Vegito might be on SSJ4 level so I won't put much stock in a source that has to question itself versus the material we have in the actual show.

I might have made a mistake with Beerus. Personally, I can see him being around Super 17 (Post 10X Kamehameha) but by the way I scale everything, I find it hard to see Beerus or Whis getting past Syn Shenron and downright impossible for them to get near Omega.

[Rocketman]

Goku never sensed Vegetto.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku never sensed Vegetto.

Goku was Vegetto. He had his memories, so he should know his power as well.

[Kamiccolo9]

Goku never sensed Vegetto.

Goku was Vegetto. He had his memories, so he should know his power as well.

If we're going by that, Goku also considered Janemba the strongest ki he had ever met, right before proceeding to rip him apart.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku never sensed Vegetto.

Goku was Vegetto. He had his memories, so he should know his power as well.

If we're going by that, Goku also considered Janemba the strongest ki he had ever met, right before proceeding to rip him apart.

Oh, I'm not talking about that. I'm only talking about Goku knowing Vegetto's power. I only now checked the discussion.

But yeah, the statement about Super Baby doesn't mean anything about Vegetto, it's about everyone else but Goku/Vegetto/Gogeta.

[Hugo Boss]

Tarble vs Tapion