Well for starters, there's half of BOG (as has been extensively discussed) and the whole "three Kaioshin" comment from the Twel-Buu special.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Recently, Toriyama has created new stories (BoG, Jaco, DB-), and has had many interviews about in-universe things. And of course, these weren't without plot holes.
So, what contradictions to the manga are there in all these?
New Toriyama plot holes?
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Re: New Toriyama plot holes?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: New Toriyama plot holes?
From what I recall in BoG, the plot-holes are these:
Bulma's & Mai's ages (could have been fake ages)
Mr. Satan forgetting about Dende (he was drunk though)
Kaio's Planet (fixed in the Special Edition of the movie)
... Damn, I forgot the others.
Bulma's & Mai's ages (could have been fake ages)
Mr. Satan forgetting about Dende (he was drunk though)
Kaio's Planet (fixed in the Special Edition of the movie)
... Damn, I forgot the others.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: New Toriyama plot holes?
Not really a plothole but I feel Beers should have known who Boo was.
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Perhaps he didn't recognize him since as far as we know the Pure/Kid Buu form is the original Buu. Maybe Beerus never saw the Good/Fat Buu.alakazam^ wrote:Not really a plothole but I feel Beers should have known who Boo was.
Re: New Toriyama plot holes?
So basically retcon Freeza is afraid of SSJ God .So Next Question would be, Is Akira Toriyama going to retcon Freeza death to have a climactic duel against his so-called fear?