The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gogeta8001 » Tue May 06, 2014 1:33 pm

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Goku was Vegetto. He had his memories, so he should know his power as well.
If we're going by that, Goku also considered Janemba the strongest ki he had ever met, right before proceeding to rip him apart.
The only difference is that in M12, Goku proceeded to whip Fat Janemba badly where as in GT, he was completely helpless against Super Bebi Vegeta. And why wouldn't Goku know how powerful Vegito is? He WAS Vegito for crying out loud. Goten can compare SSJ3 Gotenks's power to Ultimate Gohan's and and state that SSJ3 Gotenks isn't far off from U.Gohan. Also, how the hell can Super Bebi Vegeta be on the same level as Buuhan if Gohan didn't slack off from his training and was stronger than his Z Ultimate self in Base? (stated in the Perfect Files). If you believed in all of that, you would have Super Bebi Vegeta > Buuhan > Buutenks ~ Base Gohan > Z Ultimate Gohan. That would mean SSJ Gohan is approximately on the same level as Super Bebi Vegeta which we obviously know isn't true.

And like I said before, that line you guys are referring to is from the anime comic for A Hero's Legacy which states SSJ Vegito MIGHT be on the same level as SSJ4 Goku. Why use a secondary source that has to question itself and not use a primary source from the actual show that's literally black and white to see?

Generally, the people who want SSJ Vegito => SSJ4 Goku to be true are the ones who are upset that GT characters outclass Z characters and will desperately try to make things up to make Z superior to GT. I'm not pointing fingers to anyone but that's what I see in general when people try to scale Z higher than GT.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Tue May 06, 2014 8:30 pm

As Piccolo and co. arrive on King Kai's planet, somehow Nappa shows up for a rematch:

Piccolo, King Kai, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu Vs Nappa
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Tue May 06, 2014 8:57 pm

Kid Buu wrote:As Piccolo and co. arrive on King Kai's planet, somehow Nappa shows up for a rematch:

Piccolo, King Kai, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu Vs Nappa
With Kaio there, I'm pretty confident they'd win. Biggest change other than that is that Ten and Chaozu wouldn't kill themselves after they've seen it doesn't work. Hopefully.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue May 06, 2014 9:16 pm

Kid Buu wrote:As Piccolo and co. arrive on King Kai's planet, somehow Nappa shows up for a rematch:

Piccolo, King Kai, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu Vs Nappa
Nappa gets slaughtered.

Kaio - 3500

Piccolo - 3500

Tienshinhan - 1830

Yamcha - 1480

Chaozu - 610

Nappa - 4000


On Kaio's small planet, Nappa can easily be swarmed from all sides. Also, if Krillin's Kienzan has the power to take Nappa off at the head with a PL of 1770, I have no doubt Piccolo's Makankasapoo would bore through Nappa as easily as it did Raditz. Couple this with techniques like Tienshinhan's Kikoho and Yamcha's Sokidan, Nappa has no chance.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Tue May 06, 2014 9:24 pm

Actually, I forgot about the gravity on Kaio's planet. I think everything but Kaio and Nappa would be disadvantaged by that, despite being quite strong, simply because they're not used to it. So it depends on how much the gravity reduces their ability and whether they can adjust to it before Nappa overwhelms them.
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Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Tue May 06, 2014 10:09 pm

Maybe King Kaio can do Kaio-ken and one shot him?

Is anyone still willing to answer my last question, since the last answers are all under the assumption I meant they had tail weakness similar to Raditz and early DB Goku when I meant their tails were prone to getting removed?

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue May 06, 2014 10:19 pm

Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:Maybe King Kaio can do Kaio-ken and one shot him?

Is anyone still willing to answer my last question, since the last answers are all under the assumption I meant they had tail weakness similar to Raditz and early DB Goku when I meant their tails were prone to getting removed?
It would happen the same way I mentioned. Guldo just stops time, severs their tails, and forces them into Humanoid form where they get slaughtered by the others.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gogeta8001 » Tue May 06, 2014 11:12 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:Tarble vs Tapion
There's no way Tapion can be that weak.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue May 06, 2014 11:20 pm

Tarble vs Saiyan arc gauntlet

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Wed May 07, 2014 12:00 am

I think Tarble would win just because he's had all that time to grow and maybe train... But it's possible Saiyan Arc Vegeta might still be able to kill him. But I don't know anything about the movie special, though.
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It would happen the same way I mentioned. Guldo just stops time, severs their tails, and forces them into Humanoid form where they get slaughtered by the others.
This will sound stupid, but would he even be able to do that? Create something to cut with?

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed May 07, 2014 12:13 am

Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:I think Tarble would win just because he's had all that time to grow and maybe train... But it's possible Saiyan Arc Vegeta might still be able to kill him. But I don't know anything about the movie special, though.
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It would happen the same way I mentioned. Guldo just stops time, severs their tails, and forces them into Humanoid form where they get slaughtered by the others.
This will sound stupid, but would he even be able to do that? Create something to cut with?
Vegeta's tail got severed by Yajirobe's sword, which has nothing saying its special in any way and Yajirobe only had a PL of 970 to Oozaru Vegeta's 180 thousand.

Guldo is 19,000 according to Gekishin Freeza. Its easily within his power to sever the tail with his own hand or energy blast.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed May 07, 2014 12:18 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote: Guldo is 19,000 according to Gekishin Freeza.
The what now?
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed May 07, 2014 12:23 am

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KentalSSJ6 wrote: Guldo is 19,000 according to Gekishin Freeza.
The what now?
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Post by Saiga » Wed May 07, 2014 12:24 am

It's an old RPG game. I don't trust most of the power levels from those games as they contradict the manga (like Jheese/Butta being over 60,000).
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed May 07, 2014 12:27 am

Plus, if Guldo was that strong normally, he would've crushed Gohan and Krillin (14,000 and 13,000) without psychic powers.
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Post by Kid Buu » Wed May 07, 2014 5:30 am

Goku [Beginning of Dragon Ball] Vs Oolong & Puar [Tree of Might]

According to the Tree of Might Pamphlet, the shapeshifters have a power level of 10.

So all of them are equals.
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Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Wed May 07, 2014 6:11 am

Goku; he was trained in some martial arts by Gohan, is a Saiyan and thus a natural tank. If Puar and Oolong know the Saiyan tail weakness, then they'd probably win that way through deception.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu May 08, 2014 5:51 pm

Shadow Dragon Arc SSJ4 Goku VS Every villain of the Namek/Freeza arc at the same time.

Shadow Dragon Arc SSJ4 Goku VS Every single villain of the Android/Cell arc at the same time.

Shadow Dragon Arc SSJ4 Goku VS Every single villain of the Buu arc at the same time.

Shadow Dragon Arc SSJ4 Goku VS Every single villain from the movies at the same time.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu May 08, 2014 5:55 pm

Everyone you mentioned comes to Goku at once, and Goku kills everyone in a second, except Garlic Jr., who is left unconscious with a small hit from his finger.
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Post by Bullza » Thu May 08, 2014 6:22 pm

Who is the strongest character that our real life Earth could kill. The opposition isn't allowed to blow up the planet.

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