What about destroying the obvious? Vegita's Transformation

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:58 pm

Here's question to something I have never thought of before till about uuumm let's see...18 hours ago, maybe.

Is there a clear reason why Goku didn't destroy the energy ball Vegita created to induce his Oozaru transformation? Even if he never thought about destroying it (Goku is dense, afterall), you still have Kuririn (whom had seen Kamesennin blow up the moon) and Gohan overlooking this possible solution as well. Furthermore, Vegita could have put this idea to use as well once Gohan transformed moments later. Maybe I'm overlooking something? (I'm not trying to start another witch-hunt for yet another AT plothole/inconsistency, either. Though, in the end (as Linkin Park like to say), the answer just may point in that direction.)

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:34 pm

Because then we wouldn't get to see Oozaru Vegeta fight.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:24 pm

Putting all of that zeno nonsense aside, it's just a big energy ball in the sky, right? Maybe it can't simply be destroyed... like, it goes through it, or makes it bigger. Something like that.

Hey, I'm just trying to defend Toriyama-made material.

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:42 pm

I guess in theory, it would have caused one hell of an explosion. I think Goku mentions that creating the damned thing dropped Vegita's ki level dramatically. So, it seems to me that it's safe to assume that there was a ton of energy in that thing. Perhaps Vegita was too weak from all the damage he had sustained and all the ki he had used up to send an attack strong enough to blow it up by the time he discovered Gohan had regrown his tail. It's pretty hard to defend, though...

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:24 am

You might be on to something about Vegita being too weak to destroy it after Gohan transformed SonGohan-san. He had been hit by Goku's genki-dama, and had used up more energy when he created that huge explosion that put Goku, Gohan, and Kuririn unconcious. If you remember, after his explosive attack, he was pretty tired, breathing hard and such. He probably didn't have enough energy left to destroy it by then, so it was easier to try and kill Gohan instead. As for Goku, it probably didn't occur to him, at that point, he was practically as ignorant about the aspects of transforming as Gohan. In Kuririn's case, the more usual method that was used in Dragonball to change Goku back was cutting his tail off. That could be why it was the first solution Kuririn thought off, or he didn't think he was strong enough to destroy the energy ball. Gohan wouldn't know and just followed Kuririn's lead. Don't forget also, besides Roshi(who I also consider one of the smarter fighters), doing it, it makes sense that it would occur to Piccolo, since he is one of the most intelligent fighters out of everyone. That's the only explanation that I can think of for everyone's actions, or more likely throw it in the the big "plothole" pit!

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:07 am

I always figured that since Vegeta had was able to keep his composure in the transformed state, he would of been able to bat away attempts at destroying the ball with relative ease.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:21 am

Especially since Goku couldn't get a chance to blast the fake-moon. Except for when he created the Genkidama. But if he didn't use the GD there then he wouldn't be able to use it at all since he wouldn't need to, and the whole purpose of the battle was to show us the results of Kaio's training.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:06 pm

I know it's not canon, but Gohan stays transformed in "Tree of Might" even after Turles/Taures/TuflingsoBlokeWhoLooksLikeGoku destroys it. So maybe Oozaru states that are triggered by big glowing balls linger after said glowing ball is destroyed. And, er, somehow everyone knew this, having seen movie 3. So they didn't bother destroying it. Yes.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:16 pm

ah but you're forgetting your 21st Tenkaichi Budokai where to get Goku out of this form Jackie Chun blew up the moon, ending it. And if you want filler inclusion to counter filler inclusion look at Gohan space pod episode Piccolo destroys the pod giving up the falkse moon and Gohan reverts.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:17 pm

But that was a moon, and an image of a moon. Not a big glowing ball of energy. Difference!

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:22 pm

He's got a point there laserkid. Even though movie evidence is pretty frail.

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:04 am

Yeah, the Z Senshi must have seen movie 3 ahead of time. That makes the most sense out of any explanation so far. Good work, Psy.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:29 pm

Excellent. I win!