The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dbzfan7]

I can't really imagine Toriyama trying to say that Muten Roshi could have killed Daimao with a Max power Kamehameha, but didn't use it because of charge time and stuff. Goku's Super Kamehameha can't even do that feat at the time and Roshi only used a regular Kamehameha.

[RandomGuy96]

I can't really imagine Toriyama trying to say that Muten Roshi could have killed Daimao with a Max power Kamehameha, but didn't use it because of charge time and stuff. Goku's Super Kamehameha can't even do that feat at the time and Roshi only used a regular Kamehameha.

Goku doesn't use the Super Kamehameha until the 23rd Budokai.

That's pretty much what happened in the manga though, he showed Daimao being tired out just from nuking a city, had Yajirobe (shown as on par with Goku and therefore above Roshi) say that that level of power is absolutely insane and that he stands no chance against it, and never even implied Daimao could tank Buff Roshi's Kamehameha. In fact, after the 21st Budokai, which was a long time ago both in and out of universe, Buff Roshi disappears completely and is never referenced again.

[dbzfan7]

I can't really imagine Toriyama trying to say that Muten Roshi could have killed Daimao with a Max power Kamehameha, but didn't use it because of charge time and stuff. Goku's Super Kamehameha can't even do that feat at the time and Roshi only used a regular Kamehameha.

Goku doesn't use the Super Kamehameha until the 23rd Budokai.

That's pretty much what happened in the manga though, he showed Daimao being tired out just from nuking a city, had Yajirobe (shown as on par with Goku and therefore above Roshi) say that that level of power is absolutely insane and that he stands no chance against it, and never even implied Daimao could tank Buff Roshi's Kamehameha. In fact, after the 21st Budokai, which was a long time ago both in and out of universe, Buff Roshi disappears completely and is never referenced again.

I mean Piccolo Jr's final attack which seems like an Island Nuke drains him, Roshi blew up the moon in comparison. Goku's Super Kamehameha doesn't even compare to that, it's weaker than Piccolo Jr's final attack.

[RandomGuy96]

I can't really imagine Toriyama trying to say that Muten Roshi could have killed Daimao with a Max power Kamehameha, but didn't use it because of charge time and stuff. Goku's Super Kamehameha can't even do that feat at the time and Roshi only used a regular Kamehameha.

Goku doesn't use the Super Kamehameha until the 23rd Budokai.

That's pretty much what happened in the manga though, he showed Daimao being tired out just from nuking a city, had Yajirobe (shown as on par with Goku and therefore above Roshi) say that that level of power is absolutely insane and that he stands no chance against it, and never even implied Daimao could tank Buff Roshi's Kamehameha. In fact, after the 21st Budokai, which was a long time ago both in and out of universe, Buff Roshi disappears completely and is never referenced again.

I mean Piccolo Jr's final attack which seems like an Island Nuke drains him, Roshi blew up the moon in comparison. Goku's Super Kamehameha doesn't even compare to that, it's weaker than Piccolo Jr's final attack.

It's because he's condensing his power rather than trying to cause destruction. The Daiz notes that Goku's Super Kamehameha at the 23rd was stronger than the one that shattered the moon.

[dbzfan7]

It's because he's condensing his power rather than trying to cause destruction. The Daiz notes that Goku's Super Kamehameha at the 23rd was stronger than the one that shattered the moon.

Super~
First Appearance: Chapter 185
People: Son Goku
Special Characteristics: A Kamehameha powered up through his training under Kami-sama in the Heavenly Realm. It has enough power to deflect Piccolo’s powerful Makosen. (Daizenshuu 2, p.209)

It doesn't say that here?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think that based on the manga, the Daizenshuu is wrong.

The Daizenshuu seem to compare Daimao's attack with a nuke because of the size of the explosion, not the destructive power. Piccolo Daimao should be stronger than Kame-sennin's Max Power Kamehameha, because Kame-sennin would be really stupid not to at least try to hit him with that. But the way Kame-sennin talked about Piccolo Daimao, it sounds like nothing would work against him, except for the Mafuuba.

Using the logic used from a much later arc, Cell Saga.
Roshi buff form would give him power boost X 2 and coupled with super kamehameha multiplier x 2 atleast . Buff Roshi along with Kamehameha surpasses Piccolo Jr in arrival of Raditz.

Daimao cannot be more Powerful than Piccolo Jr in Saiyan Saga but still be in the range of moon level and Master Roshi's Buff Form coupled with Kamehameha charge time wouldn't be feasible against a comparably fast and equally powerful opponent.

I think that based on the manga, the Daizenshuu is wrong.

The Daizenshuu seem to compare Daimao's attack with a nuke because of the size of the explosion, not the destructive power. Piccolo Daimao should be stronger than Kame-sennin's Max Power Kamehameha, because Kame-sennin would be really stupid not to at least try to hit him with that. But the way Kame-sennin talked about Piccolo Daimao, it sounds like nothing would work against him, except for the Mafuuba.

By that logic, Piccolo is dumb for saying the fight against Nappa was hopeless, as he had the SBC. It doesn't matter how powerful an attack is if you can't hit your target with it, because you have to spend some time charging and they can just one shot you or move faster than you can see.

... I stand corrected.

[RandomGuy96]

It's because he's condensing his power rather than trying to cause destruction. The Daiz notes that Goku's Super Kamehameha at the 23rd was stronger than the one that shattered the moon.

Super~
First Appearance: Chapter 185
People: Son Goku
Special Characteristics: A Kamehameha powered up through his training under Kami-sama in the Heavenly Realm. It has enough power to deflect Piccolo’s powerful Makosen. (Daizenshuu 2, p.209)

It doesn't say that here?

From D2:

"A super powered version of the kamehameha—which shatters even the moon."

[dbzfan7]

From D2:

"A super powered version of the kamehameha—which shatters even the moon."

Ah I see it, but I still don't believe it as the shock wave attack was Piccolo's ultimate move and is only Island clearing. Why does Piccolo have any reason to hold back when he wouldn't before.

[The Monkey King]

From D2:

"A super powered version of the kamehameha—which shatters even the moon."

Ah I see it, but I still don't believe it as the shock wave attack was Piccolo's ultimate move and is only Island clearing. Why does Piccolo have any reason to hold back when he wouldn't before.

Well the Daizenshuu does say Papaya Island has the width of a small continent:


And Goku did say he'd try to absorb the shock:

Spoiler:

So maybe Goku blocking it made the explosion smaller.

[RandomGuy96]

He probably condensed the explosion (he did not hold back, that's different) because:

1. It's more effective that way.
2. Most fighters kind of just do it automatically.
3. He wants to rule the world, not destroy it.

[dbzfan7]

What reason does he have to condense his blast? The whole attack is based on expelling ki in an all out attack, and I doubt he cares about collateral damage. Seemed to me he was just expelling everything he had. I doubt Toriyama thought off "He condensed his attack as he wants to take over the world, not blow it up." Daimao was blowing up the world piece by piece, so I doubt Piccolo would care to get rid of one small continent.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Full Power Freeza vs 70% Mecha Freeza

[RandomGuy96]

What reason does he have to condense his blast? The whole attack is based on expelling ki in an all out attack, and I doubt he cares about collateral damage. Seemed to me he was just expelling everything he had. I doubt Toriyama thought off "He condensed his attack as he wants to take over the world, not blow it up." Daimao was blowing up the world piece by piece, so I doubt Piccolo would care to get rid of one small continent.

Because everyone always condensers their attacks automatically. He'd have to be actively trying to destroy the planet for the attack to have moon-level "splash damage".

[ZombieVito]

Full Power Freeza vs 70% Mecha Freeza

70% Mecha: 98,000,000

Full Power Freeza wins.

[dbzfan7]

What reason does he have to condense his blast? The whole attack is based on expelling ki in an all out attack, and I doubt he cares about collateral damage. Seemed to me he was just expelling everything he had. I doubt Toriyama thought off "He condensed his attack as he wants to take over the world, not blow it up." Daimao was blowing up the world piece by piece, so I doubt Piccolo would care to get rid of one small continent.

Because everyone always condensers their attacks automatically. He'd have to be actively trying to destroy the planet for the attack to have moon-level "splash damage".

Piccolo has no reason to. He does not care about the people or who dies in the process. Chances are he'd have done the same Piccolo day thing anyways if he took over and I doubt he cares about waiting to blow up this continent. I just don't see Toriyama picturing Max Power Roshi>Piccolo Daimao in destructive power. If you asked him I'm pretty sure he'd say Daimao considering how he's built up as the most powerful thing at the moment with unimaginable ki.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Full Power Freeza vs 70% Mecha Freeza

70% Mecha: 98,000,000

Full Power Freeza wins.

Wouldn't the stamina issue affect the fight though? It's not just a battle of numbers.

[ZombieVito]

I totally forgot about that haha.

I guess if Freeza really is smart he should finish the fight quickly.

[Kid Buu]

Strongest character 23rd Budokai Chichi can beat and why?

[RandomGuy96]

Strongest character 23rd Budokai Chichi can beat and why?

1. 22nd Budokai Krillin

2. She has a power level of 130

[Mr.Judge]

SSJ god Goku Vs Beerus Rematch. Only Energy beams.