Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

[RandomGuy96]

Just because they never said there's no canon that does not mean something can't be canon since it can't fit into the main story. For example, Michael Crichton never said what's canon to the Jurassic Park franchise since you have two books and four movies. Stuff like the pre-BOG movies expect for maybe Movie 9 and 13 can be view as AU films since Toei never references them again in the show.

Garlic. Jr and Cooler both show up later in the anime, and are officially in-continuity with at least the anime timeline. The same doesn't apply for Hildegarn and Bojack.

[Kid Buu]

When was Cooler in the anime? Are you referring to GT?

[RandomGuy96]

When was Cooler in the anime? Are you referring to GT?

Yep.

[Cetra]

Sorry, Bullza but you simply don't know what canonicity means and how it is defined. And official history does not necessarily mean canonical, neither does differentiating between main story and side story or spin-off because main story and side story as well as spin-off can be used in an explanation for many things such as the focus, for example. That is just your imagination and has nothing to do with what is really canonical and how it is defined. If you are a legal owner you can decide over the objective canon. You don't like GT? Okay, it can be non-canon for you. That does not make it actually non-canon at all. Just as it takes the word of the owners tom decide what really matters. It won't mean we can''t think anything else. But me also thinking Goku is Vegeta and vice-versa will also not change that its wrong. Many people say that Han shot first but he didn't. It was retconned and is not canon. End of story. No matter how much they or probably me either dislike it. You just think what you don't like can't be objectively canon. In fact I don't even need to use the word "objectively" to explain that because what we think and is only canon for us or just not official is described as "fanon".

[MarCas92]

My canon:
The Manga (The Kanzenban).
Battle of Gods
Yo! Son Goku and His friends Return
Jaco
Dragon Ball Minus

[Zephyr]

To be honest, I'm seeing everything as canon, albeit being distributed between several different continuities and splinter timelines within those continuities.

The "Original Continuity"/"Toei-verse", would entail all episodes of the anime, the two TV Specials, GT, and all 13 of the movies (most of them being splinter timelines). Anime-specific guidebook information would also settle here.

The "New Continuity"/"Toriyama-verse", having been created by the Bardock from the Toei-verse being sent back in time and starting a new timeline, would entail the manga (Kanzenban ending), the 2008 Special, Episode of Bardock (depicting the origins of the continuity), Battle of Gods, Jaco, and Dragon Ball Minus. Manga-specific guidebook information, as well as new, questionable Toriyama interview comments would settle here.

The "Dragon Ball Online" continuity would be split off from the "Toriyama-verse", namely due to its distinct lack of anime-exclusive material. Miira/Towa meddling around would be the catalyst for its creation, and their activities would cause a divergence within the "Toriyama-verse" that results in Goku's departure on Earth and subsequent arrival on Earth more resembling the "Toei-verse" depiction of said events. This is the only continuity in which the Kaiojikan cares to have Future Trunks begin patrolling time, as there is a huge threat to the very fabric of time here. In other continuities, the lack of a real threat causes him to overlook Trunks' time travelling transgressions.

Now personally, I'd much like to have the general gist of the DBO post-Z events, GT, and Battle of Gods all take place in the same continuity, but as they all stick to other things that all become increasingly irreconcilable with each other that's not looking so easy anymore.

[Bullza]

You even just noted it, and then go on to dismiss it.

I said it doesn't happen often that's not the same as not at all. In Star Wars' case they had no choice but to clarify it.

[Bullza]

Sorry, Bullza but you simply don't know what canonicity means and how it is defined. And official history does not necessarily mean canonical,

Canon - "Canon" in fictional stories typically refers to material related to the story that is considered "official", by the story creator(s).

Battle of Gods fits this description as it was said to be official. It was also written by the story creator. It should go without saying that if there is an official history that followed certain events then material that wasn't a part of the official history isn't canon.

In the story written by Toriyama movies 1-13 never happened, they aren't a part of the official history and aren't canon.

Whether I think GT is canon or not doesn't matter. Toriyama doesn't think it's canon and that it never happened and that's why it isn't canon. GT is no more canon than Dragon Ball Multiverse where both events never happened.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

This is the only continuity in which the Time Lord cares to have Future Trunks begin patrolling time, as there is a huge threat to the very fabric of time here.

Just nitpicking here, but unless you're going to call Kaio by just the title of "Lord" instead of "Lord/King of Worlds", then you probably shouldn't be calling the Kaiojikan by just "Time Lord".

[Kakarot88]

Never posted in one of these, but here's my canon:

I see it as 5 separate dimensions:

Dimension 1: (manga dimension) everything in the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z anime that does not conflict with the manga (this no longer includes the Bardock special, and does now instead include Dragon Ball minus and Jacko). However, for me this timeline so to speak essentially stops with with Goku dying and Trunks coming in the time machine to Dimension 2 or Dimension 4, and everything after Trunks defeating Cell is unknown.

Dimension 2: (anime dimension) Jacko then Entire Dragon Ball anime with Dr. Frappe, but pretend he's a liar and just assisted Dr. Gero, and include movie 1 (Dead Zone) and all the DBZ anime and movie 5 (Cooler's Revenge), then Yo Son Goku and Friends return special, then Battle of Gods and then ...to be continued...
GT does not work into this dimension and Dragon Ball minus is just a legend and the canon is instead the Bardock special.
To fix some Jacko stuff conflicting with Bardock, I pretend Grandpa Gohan went back to the pod and got Goku's armor which he had not yet grown into and Goku later wears at the end of Jacko.

Dimension 3: (Toei's dimension) All the movies and TV specials are the canon and take precedence over what occurs in the manga, so instead of Cell we get No. 13 etc and then Cell shows up and then Bojack, etc. If there is ever a conflict the movie trumps the anime and then works the anime in where possible. After movie 13 there is no Battle of Gods timeline, rather it goes into GT.

Dimension 4: Same as dimension 2 but instead of Battle of Gods it is the Dragon Ball Online story.

Dimension 5: same as Dimension 1 but instead we know what happens to Trunks based on the PSP Game Dragon Ball Z: Shin Budokai - Another Road.

And that boys and girls is my canon

Dimension 2 is my favorite.

[Dbzfan94]

For me:

DB Vol 1-42
Bardock the Father of Goku + Gine. just the character. Not DB Minus as a whole though.
The History of Trunks (anime)
Whole DB/Z anime. Contradictory filler can be explained such as Dr Flappe, like mentioned by someone else earlier
DBGT & Hero's Legacy and Battle of Gods happen in alternate timelines
Yo Goku and Friends Return
Movies 1-13 take place in an AU where minor manga changes occurred to fit the movies
For example what if Goku beat Fat Buu while stalling time for Trunks then went back to Other World. (aka Fusion Reborn (M12))

[Zephyr]

This is the only continuity in which the Time Lord cares to have Future Trunks begin patrolling time, as there is a huge threat to the very fabric of time here.

Just nitpicking here, but unless you're going to call Kaio by just the title of "Lord" instead of "Lord/King of Worlds", then you probably shouldn't be calling the Kaiojikan by just "Time Lord".

Ah, thanks for pointing that out, didn't know what the appropriate name for him was.

[Hellspawn28]

Just because they never said there's no canon that does not mean something can't be canon since it can't fit into the main story. For example, Michael Crichton never said what's canon to the Jurassic Park franchise since you have two books and four movies. Stuff like the pre-BOG movies expect for maybe Movie 9 and 13 can be view as AU films since Toei never references them again in the show.

Garlic. Jr and Cooler both show up later in the anime, and are officially in-continuity with at least the anime timeline. The same doesn't apply for Hildegarn and Bojack.

Besides Movie 1, the other DBZ movies before BOG are pretty much ignore. Coola's cameo is debatable and I'm surprise Movie 9 is ignore in the anime TV series. Bojack and gang should have got a cameo in Hell.

[xmysticgohanx]

Just because they never said there's no canon that does not mean something can't be canon since it can't fit into the main story. For example, Michael Crichton never said what's canon to the Jurassic Park franchise since you have two books and four movies. Stuff like the pre-BOG movies expect for maybe Movie 9 and 13 can be view as AU films since Toei never references them again in the show.

Garlic. Jr and Cooler both show up later in the anime, and are officially in-continuity with at least the anime timeline. The same doesn't apply for Hildegarn and Bojack.

Besides Movie 1, the other DBZ movies before BOG are pretty much ignore. Coola's cameo is debatable and I'm surprise Movie 9 is ignore in the anime TV series. Bojack and gang should have got a cameo in Hell.

Moive 5 is in the official Chozenshuu anime timeline though.

[Hellspawn28]

Data books can be wrong sometimes too. I remember the Daizenshuu stated that Piccolo Daimo was stronger then Kami when Kami beat Kid Goku without moving from what I can remember.

[RandomGuy96]

Data books can be wrong sometimes too. I remember the Daizenshuu stated that Piccolo Daimo was stronger then Kami when Kami beat Kid Goku without moving from what I can remember.

Too bad the Daizenshuu never said that.

[Kid Buu]

I think he's going off that Daimao had a higher power level than Kami in the list.

[RandomGuy96]

I think he's going off that Daimao had a higher power level than Kami in the list.

I know. That list isn't from the Daizenshuu books.

[Cetra]

Canon - "Canon" in fictional stories typically refers to material related to the story that is considered "official", by the story creator(s).

By quoting the same thing people all over the internet write (beginning with "made by the creator", "being in the manga", "said by the creator", et cetera) and which has nothing to do with the truth you have proven to not know the actual meaning and how it is handled. "Canon" or "Gospel" simply means "to count officially for the story". "Official" in general is everything published by a brand owner so your "official" obsession alone does not help in the right context which you don't have in the interview you refer to as, at nit-picky as it goes, those words are not unequivocal. The first movies are also official and add story but they are in another dimension so this is not that easy if you don't choose the words in the right context and even if you have meant the right thing in that situation, in the others you didn't as you come to the wrong conclusion and work with only a bit of information, add your own thinking, ignore the actual context, definitions and everything else like someone reading with a flashlight - this is a common problem, so don't think I would say something like that to only you. In Dragon Ball's case multiple interviews with similiar words and certain events do not work together so it is not easy as you want it to be and it actually is never, as other franchises show, where fans are saying "this and that was said" while it is just wishful thinking and the only decode it the way they want. And story creators do not decide the canonicity because they are the story creators but because they own the brand. Own the brand, own the rights. In that case it is Akira Toriyama and Toei. George Lucas has created Star Wars but cannot decide a thing anymore. If Disney who owns the brand now says "lets make Star Wars XY" George Lucas cannot come out and say "it is non-canon" and it does not need his appreciation to be canon. You have no idea how law works, sorry. And Akira Toriyama has no interest in any canonicity. I bet he does not even know about that idiotic obsession of Dragon Ball fans claiming to know a canonicity. I agree with you that Dragon Ball has a pattern of what can easily be seen as canon though not declared as such, which it needs, but not because of what you think and following that pattern GT is very easily involved.

Battle of Gods fits this description as it was said to be official. It was also written by the story creator. It should go without saying that if there is an official history that followed certain events then material that wasn't a part of the official history isn't canon.

In the story written by Toriyama movies 1-13 never happened, they aren't a part of the official history and aren't canon.

Whether I think GT is canon or not doesn't matter. Toriyama doesn't think it's canon and that it never happened and that's why it isn't canon. GT is no more canon than Dragon Ball Multiverse where both events never happened.

Just another claim of yours based on nothing that has been disproven many times in this forum by many people. You don't get that canonicity in both ways needs a statement. GT was never non-canon it is completely undefined. You are getting polemical. Salagir does not own anything of Dragon Ball, Toei very well does and even works together with the original creator - something they would not even need as owning the brand is enough already. I'm wasting my time here though as you have started getting polemical/are stubborn and ignore every information necessary already so any hope for you understanding that even with me explaining it easy and with the best intentions is worthless which is very unfortunate but if you want to be one of those fans of a franchise that wants to believe in a hobby and world as well as meanings the way they do not exist, feel free to do so. The world is spinning without you believing it. I won't say anymore to that topic.

[Hellspawn28]

The anime should not be canon to the manga in my opinion because it's adaption. The anime and manga have their own continuity, so they have their own rules. Since the manga came out first, in debates we should view it as canon unless the topic creator states otherwise.