Which Saiyans are Middle Class?

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That's because he was already an Elite beforehand.

If he can get promoted, then he should be able to get demoted.

Vegeta had a power level of 18,000 as a child it would much smaller yet he was still stronger than King Vegeta who was still an Elite with a power level of 10,000 if that.

We don't know kid Vegeta's & King Vegeta's battle powers.

Not necessarily the term could have been used in general.

Except that he says that Freeza & Cold are the only ones out of Freeza's race that possess an abnormal BP & cruelty.

What difference would that make, it doesn't mean Chilled can't bleed just because Bardock punched him in the face. It doesn't mean he's a weakling just because of that.

Yes, it does. The stronger one is, the less affected & damaged he is from the punch.

That's a given anyway because he lost to Super Saiyan Bardock which would be 50x stronger.

Which should be enough to show you how pathetic Chilled is compared to Freeza.

The point is characters can still get rocked by characters much weaker than them if they aren't expecting like when Vegeta hit Super Perfect Cell.

Never said they weren't. However, Cell didn't bleed from Vegeta's attack.

It was pure heart, I checked the part you said and he says pure heart there. Also Krillin does say he thought a pure heart was needed to become a Super Saiyan and Vegeta did say he had a pure evil heart.

What translation did you check? Because Herms says otherwise:

Chapter: 319 (DBZ 125), P9.4-5, P10.4-7
Goku: “I’m a Saiyan who came from Earth to defeat you…A legendary warrior whose tranquil heart has been awakened through intense rage…Super Saiyan Son Goku!”
Freeza: “I…I knew it…It seems you really are a Super Saiyan…Fu-fuffuffuh…So your tranquil heart was awakened through intense rage, huh?...I see, so that’s why Vegeta could never become one, no matter how hard he tried…”

Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P11.1-5
Kuririn: “Th-that’s impossible…! Wh-why can he become a Super Saiyan…?! Don’t you have to have a tranquil heart to become one…!?”
Vegeta: “I was tranquil…Tranquil and pure…Pure evil, that is…I wished to get strong just by training earnestly…And so I went through stupendous training over and over again…Eventually, I realized my limits…Through my anger towards myself, I suddenly awakened…into a Super Saiyan!”

[Bullza]

If he can get promoted, then he should be able to get demoted.

I dont even know what were talking about here anymore. My point was that a Saiyans rank wouldn't change as an Oozaru because all Saiyans can do that so it'd all be relative. A low class who went ape wouldn't suddenly become an elite because his power level went because compared to an elite who went ape he'd still be a low class.

With the Super Saiyan they can't all do that and he would surpass an elite so doesn't make sense he'd be a low class.

We don't know kid Vegeta's & King Vegeta's battle powers.

We know Vegeta was at 18,000 on earth and he'd obviously be much weaker as a kid and he was still stronger than his father who was also an elite. Is it really so farfetched to say Vegeta grew 2 or 3 times stronger since he was a kid. King Vegeta could be as little as 5,000.

Except that he says that Freeza & Cold are the only ones out of Freeza's race that possess an abnormal BP & cruelty.

He said "even saying "Frieza's race" whatever emphasis that means, he sorta makes it sound as if there is no race which would make sense with King Cold being a mutant, that they're the only two who are strong and cruel.

Yes, it does. The stronger one is, the less affected & damaged he is from the punch.

That'd mean more if his guard was up. He was caught by surprise. If Bardock could hurt him as much as you think he did with one punch then his attack as a Super Saiyan should have obliterated him to ashes.

Which should be enough to show you how pathetic Chilled is compared to Freeza.

He is pathetic compared to Frieza but so is King Cold and he was still counted because he's abnormally strong regardless.

What translation did you check? Because Herms says otherwise:

The official english Viz translation.

Goku - The legendary warrior, with a pure heart awakened by rage.
Frieza - A pure heart you say. No wonder Vegeta couldn't pull it off no matter how mad he got.

Krillin - No way why is he a Super Saiyan? I thought you had to have a pure heart.
Vegeta - My heart is pure. Pure evil.

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With the Super Saiyan they can't all do that and he would surpass an elite so doesn't make sense he'd be a low class.

That's your opinion. And I disagree because of Oozaru.

He said "even saying "Freeza's race" whatever emphasis that means, he sorta makes it sound as if there is no race which would make sense with King Cold being a mutant, that they're the only two who are strong and cruel.

That's not how I see it. To me, it sounds more like that out of all the aliens of their race, Freeza & Cold are the only mutants that are abnormally powerful & cruel.

That'd mean more if his guard was up. He was caught by surprise. If Bardock could hurt him as much as you think he did with one punch then his attack as a Super Saiyan should have obliterated him to ashes.

They get more damage if they get caught by surprise, but the rule weaker = less damage still applies.

Anyway, why are we debating about this? We know that Chilled is close to x50 stronger than low-class base Bardock.

He is pathetic compared to Freeza but so is King Cold and he was still counted because he's abnormally strong regardless.

But Cold isn't pathetic to the rest of the race, if you interpret Toriyama's line as I do.


In the end, it seems to be up to how we interpret things. There is no enough evidence to make EoB canon or non-canon base on Toriyama's interview, so we are doing circles saying to each other "You are wrong, because IMO blah blah blah!" "No, you are wrong, because IMO blah blah blah!". This isn't going anywhere.

The official english Viz translation.

Then Viz is wrong, again. The Viz translation is an English adaptation of the manga, while Herms' translation is a literal translation straight from Japanese. The requirement is a tranquil heart, not a pure heart.

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I see it this issue like Freeza and Cold are the ones who possess abnormal strength and even greater cruelty than other members or their race, which race was already really strong compared to average Battle power. Freeza's race average power level should be around 100,000 and they do not possess skills to transform to higher forms, save for Cold and Freeza, who were mutants. As there were very few of saiyans who could grow to 100,000 even being Oozarus, Chilled's confidence had a base that he is the most powerful in the galaxy. I don't want to declare that Chilled has existed once, nor that Bardock became a Super Saiyan in the distant past. But I'm sure Cold and Freeza had a race, so they had ancestors, who weren't mutated life-forms, and weren't that strong like these two.

[Bullza]

That's your opinion. And I disagree because of Oozaru.

Which I explained. What does Oozaru have to do with anything if they can all do it? So Raditz is a low class and King Vegeta an elite but then Raditz turns Oozaru and now he's also an elite and would be treated on the same level? But if King Vegeta then went Oozaru he'd be a Super Elite?

If all Saiyans went Oozaru then everyone would be an elite? Why even have classes at all if that's the case? Like I said it's all relative if base Vegeta was a elite compared to base Raditz who was a low class then Oozaru Vegeta would still be a elite compared to Oozaru Raditz.

That's not how I see it. To me, it sounds more like that out of all the aliens of their race, Freeza & Cold are the only mutants that are abnormally powerful & cruel.

If their race were all mutants then none of them would be. With how he put it that Frieza was a mutated life form because King Cold was a mutant I'd say either they're the only one's of their kind which was why there was an emphasis on their race.

Anyway, why are we debating about this? We know that Chilled is close to x50 stronger than low-class base Bardock.

It's because you seem to think that because he was hurt he was weak and why he wasn't included as being abnormally strong when you could even say Bardock was abnormally strong. This was all being sad with the assumption that Bardock was a low class in EoB to begin with.

In Dragon Ball Minus he was a low class however this EoB came before that and was clearly intended to be a follow up to the events of the old TV special where his power level was 10,000. He probably got a Zenkai boost by EoB and was enraged so his power level could have shot up more when he hit Chilled as a Super Saiyan his power level could have so high that Chilled' power level could very well be higher than Frieza in his first form.

You're just going the other approach to try to fit it in nicely but it'd be far more likely to be what I just said. Ooshi probably didn't think Nappa was stronger than Bardock like Toriyama did.

Then Viz is wrong, again. The Viz translation is an English adaptation of the manga, while Herms' translation is a literal translation straight from Japanese. The requirement is a tranquil heart, not a pure heart.

Some guy from the forum knows better than proper translaters? If tranquil means "calm, free from anxiety, tension, or restlessness; composed." Then how does that make any sense with Vegeta who is the complete opposite of that?

In Battle of Gods didn't they also make a point that six pure hearted saiyans were needed to allow for a SSJ God?

[Bullza]

Freeza's race average power level should be around 100,000 and they do not possess skills to transform to higher forms, save for Cold and Freeza

Like I said there are no higher forms except for what Cooler did. Frieza in his fourth form is what he really looks like and he just created those other forms to supress his power. Any members of his race would look like that but just be pitifully weak, maybe even human level weak.

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These are AT's words about Freeza's race:

About how many of Freeza’s race are there? Are they quite thriving, with a big population?
Freeza is what you might call a mutated life-form. Strictly speaking, Freeza’s father is a mutant with an abnormally high battle power. And, born from his father alone4, still in strong possession of the mutant traits, was Freeza.
Accordingly, even saying “Freeza’s race”, these two are the only ones who possess an abnormal [level of] battle power and cruelty.

Bullza, I really want to know why do you interpret Toriyama's words in that way you do it. His speech is clear: Even speaking about Freeza's race these are the only one who possess an abnormal battle power. So if you say two members can form an entire race, than Majin Buu, Cell have their race when thay are only single members?

The things are simple Freeza had a race, which was powerful, but not so like Cold and Freeza himself, this is clearly the thing AT spoke about.

Freeza's race average power level should be around 100,000 and they do not possess skills to transform to higher forms, save for Cold and Freeza


Like I said there are no higher forms except for what Cooler did. Freeza in his fourth form is what he really looks like and he just created those other forms to supress his power. Any members of his race would look like that but just be pitifully weak, maybe even human level weak.

The higher forms I was mentioned were that forms of Cold and Freeza. Cold theoretically was in his second form, and Freeza had addtional two forms, both had forms beyond their base forms. Chilled(even if he's not canon) used only his 1th/base form, which was very similar to Freeza's first form. I did said that if the mutation generates some physical changes, then the additional forms would be those changes, and the only two of that race/kind were able to transform.

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Which I explained. What does Oozaru have to do with anything if they can all do it? So Raditz is a low class and King Vegeta an elite but then Raditz turns Oozaru and now he's also an elite and would be treated on the same level? But if King Vegeta then went Oozaru he'd be a Super Elite?

That's the point, Raditz doesn't become an elite when he turns into an Oozaru, he still remains a low-class. Which is why I don't believe that transformations do not affect the rank.

If their race were all mutants then none of them would be. With how he put it that Freeza was a mutated life form because King Cold was a mutant I'd say either they're the only one's of their kind which was why there was an emphasis on their race.

No, his race aren't mutants, none of them are mutants except for Freeza & Cold.

You're just going the other approach to try to fit it in nicely but it'd be far more likely to be what I just said. Ooshi probably didn't think Nappa was stronger than Bardock like Toriyama did.

It can fit nicely in my head. Chilled isn't abnormally strong for his race standards, and Bardock is weaker than Nappa in base, but can still transform into a SS because he has a high battle power for his standards (low-class) and he has a tranquil heart thanks to Gine's influence.

Some guy from the forum knows better than proper translaters?

Yes, because Viz didn't translate the manga properly to begin with, they adapted it. Herms even lived in Japan for some time, and his translations are literal translations, not adaptations. So, yes, I trust him more.

In Battle of Gods didn't they also make a point that six pure hearted saiyans were needed to allow for a SSJ God?

From what I know, SSGod requires righteous Saiyans, not pure hearted.

[Bullza]

That's the point, Raditz doesn't become an elite when he turns into an Oozaru, he still remains a low-class. Which is why I don't believe that transformations do not affect the rank.

It doesn't affect the rank because as Oozaru he'd still be a low class compared to an elite that'd become an Oozaru. All saiyans in base and all saiyans in Oozaru still have the same gap between them. With Bardock though because nobody else can go Super Saiyan then as a Super Saiyan he would surpass the elites whereas any other low class cannot.

No, his race aren't mutants, none of them are mutants except for Freeza & Cold.

That's what I'm saying and why am I'm saying there might not be any others of their kind which Chilled was.

Bardock is weaker than Nappa in base, but can still transform into a SS because he has a high battle power for his standards (low-class) and he has a tranquil heart thanks to Gine's influence.

He has a high power level amongst the weakest of the three classes and that's it. Vegeta never transformed before when he was mad but then did by the Android saga and his heart barely changed. Vegeta said himself he was pure evil, he killed an innocent man and couldn't even give a damn about saving his own baby so it's got nothing to do with him somehow having a more tranquil heart between those two points and it'd be safer to say his power level has passed the threshold necessary to become a Super Saiyan instead.

Yes, because Viz didn't translate the manga properly to begin with, they adapted it.

Even in the Japanese anime Vegeta mentioned his heart was pure evil. No mention of the word tranquil at all.

From what I know, SSGod requires righteous Saiyans, not pure hearted.

Apples and oranges, it's practically the same. After mentioning righteous hearts they starting talking about who had a pure heart, that was said a few times. No mention of tranquil though and that has nothing to do with righteousness in the slightest.

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Bullza wrote:
Which I explained. What does Oozaru have to do with anything if they can all do it? So Raditz is a low class and King Vegeta an elite but then Raditz turns Oozaru and now he's also an elite and would be treated on the same level? But if King Vegeta then went Oozaru he'd be a Super Elite?

That's the point, Raditz doesn't become an elite when he turns into an Oozaru, he still remains a low-class. Which is why I don't believe that transformations do not affect the rank.

Could that even be possible to transform into a SSJ when you are a weakling? Goku was also a low-level saiyan but he still needed to be at least 90.000 to have the potential to transform. Could it be that if a saiyan reaches the limit of the low-level class he can become a super saiyan if he has tranquil heart?

[Bullza]

Well when they said a very high battle power was needed to become Super Saiyan I think it's safe to say they meant something more than Bardock's measly power which is only good compared to the fodder.

Goku's power level far surpassed that when he was fighting for the planets sake against Vegeta and he never transformed.

Gohan's power level was much higher still when he had his angry rage moment against Frieza when he thought Krillin was killed and then again when Piccolo was being hurt to the point Vegeta wondered if he was a Super Saiyan and he didn't change then either.

Even though Goku was called a low class Saiyan I don't think it was anything more than Vegeta trying to act all superior become Nappa was a middle class and Goku surpassed him so shouldn't really be a low class.

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With Bardock though because nobody else can go Super Saiyan then as a Super Saiyan he would surpass the elites whereas any other low class cannot.

Was that stated anywhere?

That's what I'm saying and why am I'm saying there might not be any others of their kind which Chilled was.

What I'm saying is that Chilled was part of Freeza's race, but not a mutant.

Vegeta never transformed before when he was mad but then did by the Android saga and his heart barely changed.

The fact that he transformed shows that his heart had indeed changed. At that point, he was leaving peacefully on Earth, he hadn't killed anyone for years (until his fight with #18), his sole purpose in his life was to surpass & defeat Goku, and he had slept with Bulma, his future wife, and soon after that, he had started caring about his son. Before that, he was killing entire races for his whole life, he never had feelings for anyone, not even his family & comrades, and his goal was to kill Freeza and obtain immortality to fight for all eternity.

Vegeta said himself he was pure evil

That doesn't mean he was correct. Vegeta isn't the type to admit his feelings, especially at that point.

and couldn't even give a damn about saving his own baby

He was aware that Future Trunks was his son. He knew that he would have saved Bulma & baby Trunks.

Even in the Japanese anime Vegeta mentioned his heart was pure evil. No mention of the word tranquil at all.

You are wrong. It does say calm, which is the same as tranquil.

Kuririn: I thought that if you don't have a calm, still heart, you couldn't become a Super Saiyan.
Vegeta: My heart was calm and still. Still and pure. However, it was purely evil.

This is according to the FUNi subs.

Apples and oranges, it's practically the same. After mentioning righteous hearts they starting talking about who had a pure heart, that was said a few times. No mention of tranquil though and that has nothing to do with righteousness in the slightest.

Tranquil heart isn't about Super Saiyan God, it's about regular Super Saiyan. What has Super Saiyan God even have to do with this?

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Bullza wrote:
With Bardock though because nobody else can go Super Saiyan then as a Super Saiyan he would surpass the elites whereas any other low class cannot.

Was that stated anywhere?

Yeah, that would definitely mean that. If Bardock goes SSJ even with a powerlevel of 3000 then multipied with 50 that is 150.000 which is above an elite level. And that doesn't depend on situation if there is full moon or blutz wawes, the saiyan is capable to transform in by will.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yeah, that would definitely mean that. If Bardock goes SSJ even with a powerlevel of 3000 then multipied with 50 that is 150.000 which is above an elite level. And that doesn't depend on situation if there is full moon or blutz wawes, the saiyan is capable to transform in by will.

I disagree. That would make Bardock a low-class in the upper ranks that can transform into a Super Saiyan, IMO.

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Yeah, that would definitely mean that. If Bardock goes SSJ even with a powerlevel of 3000 then multipied with 50 that is 150.000 which is above an elite level. And that doesn't depend on situation if there is full moon or blutz wawes, the saiyan is capable to transform in by will.

I disagree. That would make Bardock a low-class in the upper ranks that can transform into a Super Saiyan, IMO.

So Bardock being stronger in Super Saiyan than Prince Vegeta is still a low-class? So you don't count the Super Saiyan transformation when you are ranking Bardock?

Note that Super Saiyan transformation after it has been unlocked it doesn't need any external source to become one. Not counting the Oozaru it has a point becuse everyone possess the potential to transform when it's Full-Moon, but non of saiyans can transform when there is no Full-Moon, but a SSJ can transform whenever he wants.

[Bullza]

Was that stated anywhere?

Which part? That he would have surpassed the elites as a Super Saiyan? That's practically a given.

What I'm saying is that Chilled was part of Freeza's race, but not a mutant.

He still looks like them though.

The fact that he transformed shows that his heart had indeed changed.

He said himself he transformed because his heart was purely evil. He wasn't killing people left and right anymore because he had a new goal. I'd say that he wasn't as evil at all but he was still a bad guy. Sleeping with Bulma doesn't mean that much because it's not like Saiyans didn't do that already. He soon left them behind without any thought and as I said didn't think twice about killing that truck driver or leaving his family for death.

He was aware that Future Trunks was his son. He knew that he would have saved Bulma & baby Trunks.

That would really be no excuse. He didn't give them a second thought and even afterward said he had no interest in them at all.

You are wrong.

You've just quoted right there Vegeta saying his heart was pure, purely evil.

Tranquil heart isn't about Super Saiyan God, it's about regular Super Saiyan. What has Super Saiyan God even have to do with this?

Same kind of concept, same wording that was used.

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What I'm saying is that Chilled was part of Freeza's race, but not a mutant.


He still looks like them though.

Yeah, Chilled looks just like them, but only in their Base forms. We do not know Chilled also possessed the skill to transform. So that's why I assume the skill of Freeza and Cold to transform it's caused by mutation. We could see that many of species in DB that they usually transform as their conserved powers to be usable. And they use forms to use their strength just because the lower forms could not resist to that power. So if Freeza was abnormally strong for the standards of his race, then he must have some other forms to use the power generated from mutation.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Which part? That he would have surpassed the elites as a Super Saiyan? That's practically a given.

No, the part that SS Bardock would be considered an elite.

He still looks like them though.

He doesn't look exactly like them. Or at least, he doesn't look like them while they are in their original forms. Cold is huge, and Freeza doesn't have any horns.

He said himself he transformed because his heart was purely evil.

But we know that he isn't pure evil at this point, meaning that he was wrong.

He wasn't killing people left and right anymore because he had a new goal. I'd say that he wasn't as evil at all but he was still a bad guy.

Ι know, I'm just saying that him not killing people for a long time could have soften him. But he was still definitely a bad guy.

Sleeping with Bulma doesn't mean that much because it's not like Saiyans didn't do that already.

The fact that he eventually married her later means, IMO, that he had started developing feelings for her, even if he didn't want to admit it.

That would really be no excuse. He didn't give them a second thought and even afterward said he had no interest in them at all.

He didn't want to show that he cared even a little because his is Vegeta.

You've just quoted right there Vegeta saying his heart was pure, purely evil.

But the tranquil/calm heart is there as well, and there is nothing about pure heart (not pure evil, pure).

Same kind of concept, same wording that was used.

I don't know Japanese, so what Japanese words were used in each case?

[Bullza]

Yeah, Chilled looks just like them, but only in their Base forms. We do not know Chilled also possessed the skill to transform.

That "base form" would be a transformation itself. If Frieza's first three forms are due to mutation then Chilled shouldn't look like Frieza in his first form if he wasn't a mutant.

No, the part that SS Bardock would be considered an elite.

No but if he were as strong if not stronger than the elites then why wouldn't he be an elite? He'd be able to wipe them all out but he'd still just be a low class?

He doesn't look exactly like them. Or at least, he doesn't look like them while they are in their original forms. Cold is huge, and Freeza doesn't have any horns.

King Cold could have been in his second form that resembled Frieza in his second form. Chilled still highly resembled them.

But we know that he isn't pure evil at this point, meaning that he was wrong.

Well he was never pure evil at any point, he isn't Kid Buu but that's what was said in the story to make some sense as to why he could transform. He was one side of the coin while Goku and Gohan were the other. Bardock was on neither side.

The fact that he eventually married her

When were they supposed to have gotten married?

But the tranquil/calm heart is there as well, and there is nothing about pure heart (not pure evil, pure).

He said his heart was calm and still, still and pure, pure evil. That would be referring to his heart. Like I said anyway it doesn't really all add up if you went by the assumption that Bardock's power level was the very high level that was required to become a Super Saiyan.

1. When they say a very high power level that would be for a saiyan. Bardock does not have a very high power level, it could be less than 2,000. It's only at the high end (above average) for the low class, the weakest of the lot.

2. It's hard to believe that with such a low requirement not one other saiyan achieved the form in hundreds upon hundreds of years.

3. Vegeta was never able to become a Super Saiyan before when he got mad and I don't believe for a second that his time on Earth caused his heart to change to an extent that it later became possible for him to become one because he was still a scumbag.

4. Goku never became a Super Saiyan when he found all his friends dead unlike Future Trunks did when he saw Gohan dead. Nor did he transform at any point during the battle when he was losing, the Earth was in danger or him seeing his friends hurt.

5. Gohan who has the purest heart of the lot never became a Super Saiyan when he thought Krillin died or when Piccolo was being hurt. His power level shot up a vast amount but that was it.

The only logical conclusion is that when they say a very high power level, they're talking in the few millions and not thousands. In which case it would only really make sense that Bardock had a huge zenkai boost following Frieza and that was why he transformed.

But then that wouldn't make sense with Bardock being a low class or Chilled not being abnormally strong.

So the whole thing just doesn't fit at all.

I don't know Japanese, so what Japanese words were used in each case?

No idea I just know in english they kept throwing righteous and pure around.

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No but if he were as strong if not stronger than the elites then why wouldn't he be an elite? He'd be able to wipe them all out but he'd still just be a low class?

Oozaru Nappa is stronger than Namek arc Vegeta (who doesn't have a tail), but he isn't considered a super-elite.

King Cold could have been in his second form that resembled Freeza in his second form. Chilled still highly resembled them.

Still, they don't have to look completely different to be mutants. Look at the X-Men.

Well he was never pure evil at any point

I think he could be considered as pure evil up until the Freeza arc. He didn't care about his planet, his comrades, his own father, and he didn't even hesitate to kill Nappa. He was eradicating races, and he was enjoying it to the point that he wanted immortality to do this for all eternity. He only cared about himself getting stronger than everyone, and immortal, and he didn't give a shit about anyone.

Bardock was on neither side.

Bardock was an evil guy that had some humanity in him.

When were they supposed to have gotten married?

No idea, I don't think we even know. All we know that it happened in the 7-year time-skip.

He said his heart was calm and still, still and pure, pure evil. That would be referring to his heart. Like I said anyway it doesn't really all add up if you went by the assumption that Bardock's power level was the very high level that was required to become a Super Saiyan.

1. When they say a very high power level that would be for a saiyan. Bardock does not have a very high power level, it could be less than 2,000. It's only at the high end (above average) for the low class, the weakest of the lot.

2. It's hard to believe that with such a low requirement not one other saiyan achieved the form in hundreds upon hundreds of years.

3. Vegeta was never able to become a Super Saiyan before when he got mad and I don't believe for a second that his time on Earth caused his heart to change to an extent that it later became possible for him to become one because he was still a scumbag.

4. Goku never became a Super Saiyan when he found all his friends dead unlike Future Trunks did when he saw Gohan dead. Nor did he transform at any point during the battle when he was losing, the Earth was in danger or him seeing his friends hurt.

5. Gohan who has the purest heart of the lot never became a Super Saiyan when he thought Krillin died or when Piccolo was being hurt. His power level shot up a vast amount but that was it.

The only logical conclusion is that when they say a very high power level, they're talking in the few millions and not thousands. In which case it would only really make sense that Bardock had a huge zenkai boost following Freeza and that was why he transformed.

But then that wouldn't make sense with Bardock being a low class or Chilled not being abnormally strong.

So the whole thing just doesn't fit at all.

Hmm... you do have a point. I guess then that Toriyama isn't acknowledging EoB. Which would mean that if EoB happened in the manga continuity, Bardock got a big near-death power-up that made him between 30.000 & 60.000, which is when he would be above the standard Saiyan level.

No idea I just know in english they kept throwing righteous and pure around.

Just asked in the translation thread to make sure.