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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun May 18, 2014 12:25 am

Krillin and Piccolo are far too short.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun May 18, 2014 12:28 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Krillin and Piccolo are far too short.
This is why I just take a backseat on these topics. I like reading this topic as you and Attuide show some really insight for posts. How tall should Krillin be. How is Goku and the others?

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun May 18, 2014 12:28 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Krillin and Piccolo are far too short.
This is why I just take a backseat on these topics. I like reading this topic as you and Attuide show some really insight for posts. How tall should Krillin be. How is Goku and the others?

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun May 18, 2014 12:32 am

The official heights for the guys in the picture are:

Goku: 5'9
Krillin: 5'0
Piccolo: 7'5
Roshi: 5'5

Krillin should only be a head shorter than Goku.

Piccolo rarely looks the full 7'5, even in the Buu arc, but even ignoring official heights, he's too short.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Attitudefan » Sun May 18, 2014 2:43 am

Krillin and Roshi are too short. Krillin should come up to about Goku's shoulder area.
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun May 18, 2014 3:21 am

On the Nash picture: from the looks of it, the top of Gohan's head is a bit below Piccolo's shoulder level. Considering that Rob's head goes a little above Nash's shoulder, and Gohan is about 5'9.5, I'd estimate Piccolo in that chart at maybe 7'0 or 6'11. As for Buu, it looks like if he stopped tilting his head, Piccolo would reach his nose. Or rather, where his nose would be. So, maybe 7'6 - 7'8.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue May 20, 2014 9:18 pm

Here's another fun real life height comparison. The short guy is 5'2, the tall guy is 7'1:
Now, let's compare that to the difference between the 5'9.5 Gohan and Super Buu:
I'd say Super Buu is about 8 feet tall on the dot.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue May 20, 2014 9:34 pm

Question.

Are you using Rey Mystero(Short guy for non wrestling fans) and Khali wrestling billed height OR they're real height?

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue May 20, 2014 10:10 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Question.

Are you using Rey Mystero(Short guy for non wrestling fans) and Khali wrestling billed height OR they're real height?
Those are their real heights. Khali's billed at 7'3 while Mysterio's billed at 5'6, IIRC.

Here's another good Vegeta height comparison image that I'm surprised I missed:

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Also, for fun, here's a comparison between Nappa and Burter, just to give you an idea of how huge Burter is:
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:12 am

I found that Cell is actually much taller on the cover than he is in the actual manga, where he's surprisingly short. I mean he's still tall, but only like 6'4 or so...
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:24 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:I found that Cell is actually much taller on the cover than he is in the actual manga, where he's surprisingly short. I mean he's still tall, but only like 6'4 or so... ]
No he''s not. They are both almost the exact same scale with each other. The manga image doesn't have Goku standing level with Cell. You need to compensate for that. Put both their heels on a since line as a base and Goku's eyes end up right at about the top of Cell's pectorals, roughly where they are on the cover image.
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:11 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:I found that Cell is actually much taller on the cover than he is in the actual manga, where he's surprisingly short. I mean he's still tall, but only like 6'4 or so... ]
No he''s not. They are both almost the exact same scale with each other. The manga image doesn't have Goku standing level with Cell. You need to compensate for that. Put both their heels on a since line as a base and Goku's eyes end up right at about the top of Cell's pectorals, roughly where they are on the cover image.
Hadn't noticed that. Going by that, the top of Goku's head goes up to Cell's chin, making him about 6'6 (not counting his antenna).

Anyway, you know how I said that Piccolo often looks too short? I may have been exaggerating, Piccolo often does look over seven feet, and not just on the covers for the chapter when everyone gathers in the android arc/the chapter where he fights Freeza:

Piccolo leaning over to eat Goku:
Piccolo being man-handled by Nappa. He does look like he'd be taller than Nappa if he were standing:
Piccolo looking really big as Goku hits him:
Oh, and Cymbal apparently isn't supposed to be as gargantuan as he looks when Yajirobe slices him, judging by panels like this:
Then again, Piccolo also looks really short (by his standards, at least) in the manga when he first arrives to talk to Goku about Raditz.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:04 am

I'd like to bring up this BOG-related image, if only because of Beerus:

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It's a pretty mixed bag overall when it comes to official heights and height chart consistency; once again, numerous characters just look too short (especially Chi Chi). Ten and Yamcha look alright in relation to each other at least (notable, because Ten is often drawn too tall), as do Gohan and Satan, but Ox-King is also looking really short by his standards... maybe 6'7 here? Not that he was ever consistent to begin with. I prefer him being shorter than Piccolo, for what it's worth.

Err, anyway... Beerus is quite short, isn't he? Barely any taller than Vegeta. This seems pretty consistent with other images I've seen of him and Whis.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Vice » Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:18 pm

Piccolo hardly ever looks 7'5'' in *anything* official, so I don't have a clue where that number came from.

At most I'd say he's about 6'10'', but usually looks in the mid 6'5''-6'8'' range compared to everyone else.

And holy shit everyone in BoG is just TOO skinny.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:14 pm

Vice wrote:Piccolo hardly ever looks 7'5'' in *anything* official, so I don't have a clue where that number came from.

At most I'd say he's about 6'10'', but usually looks in the mid 6'5''-6'8'' range compared to everyone else.

And holy shit everyone in BoG is just TOO skinny.
I disagree. He looks extremely tall throughout the android and Buu arcs.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Vice » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:55 am

RandomGuy96 wrote: I disagree. He looks extremely tall throughout the android and Buu arcs.
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7'5'' Yao Ming compared to 5'5'' Earl Boykins.

Finding pics of Vegeta and Piccolo standing next to each other is hard, but yeah, I guess fairly similar.

Edit - Goku is way too tall in that pic, too. Seeing that he basically comes up to Piccolo's shoulders there, that would put him at about 6'4'' based on the ruler of the Yao Ming pic, assuming Piccolo is 7'5'' as well.
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:57 am

In that pic, not only is Goku far too tall, but both him and Vegeta are standing in front of Piccolo. Check out the covers for chapters 337 and 300 for accurate Piccolo comparisons. Goku comes up to around Piccolo's mid-upper chest, but Vegeta varies a bit due to growing from "midget" in the Saiyan/Freeza arcs to "really short guy" in the android/Cell/Buu arcs. See also those images from my previous post. Piccolo gets taller and taller from arc to arc; in the 23rd Budokai, he was barely taller than Goku, and shorter than Ten. In the Saiyan arc, he was a little less than a head taller than Goku and taller than Ten (but not by much). In the Cell arc, Goku comes up to his chest. He's a few inches taller in the Buu arc. Makes sense, since his father was GIGANTIC as a geezer, and got much shorter when he had his youth restored.

I'm not even sure where that picture is from.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Attitudefan » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:36 pm

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Shows that the animators later on in the series shows definitely that officially Saiyan arc Vegeta is a small dude.
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:21 pm

I don't really care what the anime shows. If Toriyama says that Goku is ~5'9", then regardless of art style changes, then that's the height Goku is for me. With Vegeta being a Saiyan, and since we know how their growth patterns work, that applies to him being 5'5" the whole time too. The only exceptions I make is with Goten and Trunks (because they definitely aren't 4 feet tall in the Buu Arc) and anime exclusive characters.

Regardless, without a full image, this image isn't really proof of anything to me since we can't see any actual point of reference for a valid comparison. Are they all standing on level ground? What if the rest of the image was revealed and Goku had been drawn with short stumpy legs and Vegeta had fabulously long dancer legs? =P
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Attitudefan » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:54 pm

I see your point. However, the proportions of Vegeta to Nappa is the same as we see in the manga on level ground. Same as we see with Vegeta being 1, 2, or 3 inches taller than Krillin. There is no way he is 5'5 in this picture, in the manga, or in the anime at that specific point.

Please compare how he was in the Saiyan arc to the Buu arc. He's a different man, possibly a more grown, mature man.
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